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Should we merge terraforming and worker placements ? 7 days
This poll is closed.
YES 6 37.50%
NO 9 56.25%
ABSTAIN 1 6.25%
Total: 16 voters 100%
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Pandemoniak is offline Pandemoniak
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of Xanadu, French Section of the Apolyton Must Crush Capitalism Party
Jul 2002
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This is the reform I propose : Worker placements and terraforming will be planned in the same poll, and tiles would be terraformed and worked by descending numbers of votes. This polling could depend on elected governors, on the DoTC or on the DoEI.
quote:

Director of Energy and Industry:
Has the right of:
*Starting polls to ask the people what there wishes are in his area
*Ordering the commissioner to rushbuild, use money in trades, [DELETE]change worker placements, [/DELETE]and move crawlers
*Advising any other part of the government
*Requesting crawlers and buildings with the Director of buildings productions.
*Polling Planetary Council decision on salvaging reactor core
*Polling Planetary Council decisions on Global Trade Pacts

Has the duties of:
*Starting polls to ask the people what there wishes are in his area
*Listing to the will of the people in his area
*Giving his opinion to the director of foreign affairs about any talks, which effect his area, with other factions
*Serving his faction the best he can

This Director is responsible of the treasury expenditures, [DELETE]worker placements[/DELETE], and crawlers.

Director of Terraforming and Colonisation:
Has the right of:
*Starting polls to ask the people what there wishes are in his area
*Ordering the commissioner to move [DELETE]terraformers and [/DELETE] colony pods
*Ordering the commissioner to design new TC units, disband old TC units and upgrade current TC units
*Advising any other part of the government
*Requesting terraformers, colony pods, and buildings with the Director of buildings productions.
*Polling Planetary Council decisions on raising and lowering sea levels

Has the duties of:
*Starting polls to ask the people what there wishes are in his area
*Listing to the will of the people in his area
*Serving his faction the best he can

Director of Expansion and Terraforming commands all colony pods and terraformers [EDIT]not controlled by governors[/EDIT]



ADD ON TO THE CONSTITUTION :
Governors are elected for one term and has the duty to poll for terraforming and worker placement at least twice a term, and concerning only one base. Terraforming and worker placements concerning bases without a governor would be depending on DoTC and DoEI.


This is the reform that I suggest, but since there has been many discussions, I propose other options : merge terraforming and worker placement in the DoTC, merge terraforming and worker placements in the DoEI. Last but not least, I propose an option which supports the merging, but on another way.
All the links are below.

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Pandemoniak is offline Pandemoniak
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Link to the other poll about this reform :
http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...&threadid=64602

Link to precedent poll, closed
http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...&threadid=64438

Link to precedent discussions
http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...&threadid=64183

Darkness' Edge is offline Darkness' Edge
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Jun 2002
time: 16:23
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Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

*sigh*

I've discussed this with Pande, and originally, we had a step forward.

However, this is still unconstitutional.

You can't pass an amendment in theory, with a clause to thrash out the details at a later date. Before we got to the voting stage, a decision needed to be made on how to merge these portfolios, and whether to include governors in that.

It's too early for this to be put to the people. It needs discussion, polls, and a decision of what the exact proposal is. Once we have one proposal, put it to the people again, and you'll probably have my support.

But as it stands, this poll is unconstitutional for an amendment, for the same reasons as the original poll. This is still polling on a general idea, NOT an amendment.

And for that reason, I'd encourage everyone to vote this poll down, simply on the basis of constitutionality.

Let this be put back to the people once the other, unofficial, poll has been completed.

Last edited by Darkness' Edge on 15-10-2002 at 16:11

DeathByTheSword is offline DeathByTheSword
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Nov 2001
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....i am still thinking about this problem give me sometime

* DeathByTheSword takes sometime without waiting for answer

Pandemoniak is offline Pandemoniak
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PUBLIC ANNOUCEMENT, LIVE ON CNN, on Oct. 17th, 2300CET
Fellow citizens of the United Nations Peacekeepers,
Seeing that my reform has received a 80% non-confidence vote, I choose to resign from my current position of Director of Terraforming and Colonization.
I worked hard during my terms, trying to provide a good terraforming to our faction, and after facing many difficluties to manage the extending UN terraformers, I tried to implement our system by simplifying the vote system, thus making it more democratic. I also wanted the local citizens to be more concerned about their bases and their new homes on Chiron, thus proposing the creation of governor seats on bases who needed, or wanted some. These reforms have been obiviously voted non-confidence, and it is therefore why I choose to resign from my current position.
I thank gratefully all the people who supported me during these terms and these elections, and thank them for the confidence they put in me. And to them I say these words : I have not betrayed you, nor your confidence.

Pandemoniak
[/I]in[/I] For I have walked with the drones

MrWhereItsAt is offline MrWhereItsAt
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What? NO, Pande! These are fine!

Why can't we have Directors deputise "Governors" or whatever if they'd like to help out? All the suggestions will go to the Director and from there become orders anyway. It could be good for involvement to have someone not a Director become a Base/Regional Administrator.

Pandemoniak is offline Pandemoniak
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I agree with you, and there is some work to do on that !!

DeathByTheSword is offline DeathByTheSword
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I havent voted but i think it is because i havent got the time yet.......but i would like to see you stay Pande.....you have been always a great person to work with ( this is a little bit of sux up ) and you have done a great job......i dont see why your amdement not going thru is a reason for quitting you job............

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