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So this mean we'll get new elections in januari 2003. |
According to NRC/Handelsblad, there will be elections on either December 11th or December 18th.
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Saint Marcus
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Scio Me Nihil Scire
Jan 1970
time: 06:23
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On the Net, it is considered very bad form to pick on somebody else's spelling and grammar. |
Spink has no ethics.
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I liked the governament, Balkenende is a good Prime Minister, but I like it to have new elections as well, since it seems like we, CDA, will get another 8 seats (so far in the polls) |
everyone seems to rise  CDA, PvdA, VVD, Groenlinks, SP are all up in the polls. LPF and D66 are down. LN depends on the poll (either stay at 2 seats, or fall to 1). ChristenUnie and SGP are both staying the same at 4 and 2.
Anyway, Balkenende isn't that good a PM. For the past 3 months, he hasn't been a very good leader dealing with the issues in the LPF. And it was his responsability. After all, problems in the LPF reflected badly on the reputation of the governement, and the PM is responsable for keeping that reputation high. Balkenende should have intervened earlier, or should ended this coalition at least a month ago.
Zalm did pretty well though. I already knew for some time that he was going to blow this thing up. He's a very good politician (though he doesn't quite play fair). I may not like his party, or the man himself, but he's without doubt the best politician (take it as a compliment or an insult) we have in this country.
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Delft, The Netherlands
Mar 1999
time: 06:23
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LPF and D66 are down |
the days of D66 are finally over. I hate the party.
After Van Mierlo left, they only got left over a bunch of idiots with too large ego's.
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Anyway, Balkenende isn't that good a PM. For the past 3 months, he hasn't been a very good leader dealing with the issues in the LPF. |
I think nobody could have dealed with this issue, not even Ruud Lubbers. Bonhoff and Heinsbroek came into the cabinet only to fullfill their own ego's. Nothing could have helped the LPF party.
Whatever Balkenende would have done, people would have told him that he was to blame. If he wuoldn't have formed a cabinet with LPF people would have said he didn't take his responsibility. Now he did form a cabinet with them, he's blamed for not being capable to control the fights in the LPF party.
I think Balkenende did as most damage control as he could, he has been damaged indeed, but there was no way for him to not be damaged. Which is a sad thing for such a to be respected person.
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Balkenende should have intervened earlier, or should ended this coalition at least a month ago. |
Even earlier than this?
He should have ended the coalition before it's formation in that case 
If he would have ended it 1 month ago, people would have claimed there were no problems in the cabinet, but only in the LPF. And people would have told him he should give the LPF some time.
He couldn't have ended it earlier. Of course with the knowledge of the the after........
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but he's without doubt the best politician (take it as a compliment or an insult) we have in this country. |
Zalm is a very good debater. That's true. I think people like Balkenende, who's indeed not such a good debater, are equal politicians though. They just have capabilities on different issues. I think it's good to have a new CDA-VVD cabinet after the elections.
The opposition is truely a wrackage. The PvdA doesn't even have a leader, Thom de Graaf will just lose half of his seats again. The only opposition party I respect (eventhough I disagree with them ) is the SP.
Marijnnese is a nice and respectfull man.
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Zopperoni
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Originally posted by Saint Marcus
Anyway, Balkenende isn't that good a PM. For the past 3 months, he hasn't been a very good leader dealing with the issues in the LPF. And it was his responsability. |
You can't fight fate.
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Saint Marcus
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Scio Me Nihil Scire
Jan 1970
time: 06:23
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The opposition is truely a wrackage. The PvdA doesn't even have a leader, Thom de Graaf will just lose half of his seats again. The only opposition party I respect (eventhough I disagree with them ) is the SP. |
why don't you mention the second biggest oposition party? Groenlinks is doing quite well, and is up and the polls. They, together with the SP, have been doing an amazing job. And yeah, D66 is doing badly, but they have less seats than both GL and SP to begin with.
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I think people like Balkenende, who's indeed not such a good debater, are equal politicians though. |
yes, people like JP, but you can't say he's an equally good politician to Zalm, cause Balkenende has hardly any experience whatsoever. Time will tell, but so far he hasn't impressed me. He could have done worse, but he was by no means brilliant.
Anyway, I think the VVD have been planning the collapse of the coalition for months now, cause as it stands it's win-win situation for them.
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Zopperoni
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Polls, shmolls...
IIRC, the polling wasn't that accurate in May.
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Zopperoni
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On a sidenote, I would be rather amused if Heinsbroek were to go and form his own party and compete in the elections.
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16-10-2002 21:41
wether VVD and CDA will indulge in a coalition with an LPF-related party again, I see an alternative. It's up to Leefbaar Nederland to show to the people that their beliefs are basically the same as Fortuyns. The difference being, however, LN does provide a well-structured organisation. 
might fill the gap. 
And that right-wing government was nothing but bad news.
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