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Mar 1999
time: 06:23
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CyberShy: legalising soft drugs is not a leftish / green issue either. They're against.
euthanasia is not a leftish / green issue either. They're against. |
yeah, the CU is against.
The discussion was about if the CU is a left / green party, or a right-wing party. I said CU is more left / green, with some conservative christian morals.
Then the questions was what the position of the CU is on those two issues.
That's why I explained that both issues were not leftish / green issues, and the CU is against them.
In fact I said "They're against these issues, but that doesn't mean they're not green / leftish, because these two issues aren't green/leftish issues"
I said not "Green / leftish parties are against these issues" but I can see that you read it that way if you didn't follow the entire discussion. 
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Must be a CDA thing. Saying one thing one day, saying the opposite the next day. Wheatervanes... |
Now after reading my explanation,
I expect a rectification from your side. This is the 2nd time you misunderstand my opinion, and take silly conclusions out of it. But I guess you'll keep silence again, like the former time you putted wrong words into my mouth, you could never prove it, but never admitted it either.
Quiet a disrespectfull attitude.
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Hueij
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Kokonino Kounty
May 1999
time: 06:23
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laten we maar gewoon Nederlands praten dan. Dit is veel te verwarrend |
Ok...
Okay...
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Quiet a disrespectfull attitude. |
Weet ik, CDA'ers hebben dat effect op me...
I know, CDA people have that effect on me...
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yeah, the CU is against.
The discussion was about if the CU is a left / green party, or a right-wing party. I said CU is more left / green, with some conservative christian morals.
Then the questions was what the position of the CU is on those two issues.
That's why I explained that both issues were not leftish / green issues, and the CU is against them.
In fact I said "They're against these issues, but that doesn't mean they're not green / leftish, because these two issues aren't green/leftish issues"
I said not "Green / leftish parties are against these issues" but I can see that you read it that way if you didn't follow the entire discussion. |
Whoa, Lubbers zou trots op je zijn!...
Whoa, Lubbers would be proud of you!...
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CyberShy
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Delft, The Netherlands
Mar 1999
time: 06:23
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rephrase that |
Ja, ik ben gefrustreerd over al die vooroordelen waar je als christen tegen moet vechten.
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conservative christians are the ones under fire. Liberal christians are not. The latter care more for "treat your neighbours like yourself", than wether or not abortion should be legal or not. |
oh well, conservative liberals push their morals through the troats of others as well. But since they are in the majority, nobody cares. If I zap the tv, walk on street, etc. I have to watch nudity.
I have to listen to swearing, during our services we have to be bothered by the kermis.
But indeed, don't push your morals up to others.
I wish that other, non-christians, would do the same. (in general of course)
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Saint Marcus
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Scio Me Nihil Scire
Jan 1970
time: 06:23
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I have to listen to swearing, during our services we have to be bothered by the kermis. |
well yeah, that does suck. But few liberals would claim that (extreme) swearing is a freedom people should have. I certainly don't. I don't care if someone lets out the occasional cussword, but there are limits.
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But indeed, don't push your morals up to others.
I wish that other, non-christians, would do the same. (in general of course) |
indeed. I agree. and that's why I don't agree with most (other) christians.
conservative christians want to forbit euthanasia, for all people. I believe people should chose for themselves.
conservative christians want to forbit abortion, for all people. I believe people should chose for themselves (and no, a 2 week old baby is not a sentient being).
conservative christians want to forbit pornography, for all people. I believe people should chose for themselves.
conservative christians want to forbit marihuana, for all people. I believe people should chose for themselves.
conservative christians want to forbit gay-marriages. I believe people should chose for themselves.
You may use the slippery slope argument. What if people want to use harddrugs. What if people want to participate in streetraces on the A2. etc. Well, anything is ok in my book, if you don't hurt others. Nobody gets hurt from two gays marrying. Those gays that get married do get hurt (emotionally) from the the things some christians say to them (you're sinners, you're going to hell if you don't stop your sinful lives, etc).
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CyberShy
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Delft, The Netherlands
Mar 1999
time: 06:23
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I think I am a conservative christian,
I believe the bible is thrue. I'm not a "ter Linde" christian who think it's all a fairy tale. It's not as if I think we should adopt the conservative lifestyle. Christianity is not a lifestyle. People mix that up. (read: christians mix that up)
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conservative christians want to forbit euthanasia, for all people. I believe people should chose for themselves. |
that's true. Be sure though that people don't get forced into it, and all that. BUt I think the current law is good enough for that.
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conservative christians want to forbit abortion, for all people. I believe people should chose for themselves (and no, a 2 week old baby is not a sentient being). |
If the mother had a choise, it is not allowed, unless she's ill and all that. Thus, if the mother had no choise (rape, incest, etc.) it's not allowed.
A 2 week baby is not a sentient being, pherhaps, but it is a being. And you do cut of an OTHER life. Of course opinions differ on the matter if a baby is a being.
But abortus is not a personal thing. You kill a baby.
And if i say that people should kill other people, that's ok for me to say. Thus I can't see why I can't see you can't kill other babies. Anyway, I will never kill a doctor or something. And I won't act much on this opinion.
I am pro-choise.
- you're free to chose to have s*x or not.
- you're free to chose to use anti-conception.
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conservative christians want to forbit pornography, for all people. I believe people should chose for themselves. |
think so. But be sure it's kept away from children, and people who don't want to be bothered with it.
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conservative christians want to forbit marihuana, for all people. I believe people should chose for themselves. |
I think that's right on the first sight.
But marihuana and all other kinds of drugs have some social impact. But, since forbidding it wont take away the social impact, plain forbidding it is no good.
But this society would be a better place if people wouldn't drink too much, and use drugs. And yes, unfortunately the good users are suffering under the bad ones, which is a pitty.
But eventhough smokers don't harm anybody, they're hunted down, and drugs users and drinkers are hardly facing any pressure to mellow down.
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conservative christians want to forbit gay-marriages. I believe people should chose for themselves. |
think so.
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(you're sinners, you're going to hell if you don't stop your sinful lives, etc). |
We all live sinful lives. In the afterlife we will be with God, or seperated from God. It depends on your choise in this life. Do you want to be with God? That's ok, and follow Him. Do you not want to be with God, then you won't be. It would be a shame if people who don't want to be with God have to be with him though, wouldn't it?
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germanos
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behind a firm ****, Rotterdam, NL
Apr 2002
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