26-10-2002 13:38									#271
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As I said earlier in the thread, not occupying EE would have also been good for the USSR. No cold war. No massive expenditures on military. Etc.

USSR's occupation of EE was also unnecessary.

They did it for one reason, I believe. To spread communisim.

	26-10-2002 15:12									#272
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quote: Originally posted by Saras Serb, major blunders:

I will not fight with you

quote: And most important of all - it is bad form to call everyone not happy about Soviets occupying free nations a nazi. Come on, you can do better.

I called him a nazi, because he love nazis. Because he prefer to see your country a nazi's country today, then to see it Soviet republic for a 48 years. He BELIEVE that for your country it would be better to remain nazi country untill nowadays, and never see Soviets driving away nazi from there.
THIS IS WHAT DRIVES MY MAD.
Not that he is not thankful for occupation. I don't know a single men who could be thankfull for this.

quote: Augi - III reichas nebuvo kapitalistinis; galiu parekomenduoti literaturos

Yep, send him books. It's clear that he needs a lot of them. I gde on uvidil capitalism v 3 reihe?
I sporit s nim bespolezno. Upryami- pizdec, vidimo younosheskii maximalism.

	26-10-2002 15:26									#273
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Still a lot of bullshit in this thread. Have fun people. I don't have time or any desire to join you.


...yet.

	26-10-2002 15:29									#274
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quote: Originally posted by Serb Not that he is not thankful for occupation. I don't know a single men who could be thankfull for this.

I must have misunderstood you in this at first, Serb. Sorry for that.

	26-10-2002 15:53									#275
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Serb, if you could listen better to Sonic, he said that the nazi occupation was less BAD for Lithuania than the soviet. Plain cold casualty figures would also tell you this. III Reich being capitalistic is a joke, but Sonic ain't a nazi.

	26-10-2002 16:28									#276
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Please pay attention to words- "liberation" and "be nazi then commies"

quote: Originally posted by Sonic Your words: Lithuanians shouldn’t be thankful to SU for liberation from nazim, because we in Lithuania prefer to be nazi then commies My answer: True

	26-10-2002 17:35									#277
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Serb, no, I wouldn't prefer to live under nazi regime over liberation obviously. I said 3rd reich would be better for Lithuania if we would assume that it also would collapsed in about 90s/00s. It wouldn't be better if it would lasted forever.

	26-10-2002 18:29									#278
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Is everyone heard this?
We have a nazi Apolytoner here.
To your knowledge sonic, in WW2 all leading countries forget about tensions about them and united in fight vs. absolute evil. And when they defeated this absolute evil, they have a tribunal over this evil. And on this tribunal they found that never in human history, NEVER, humanity faced such notorious ideology. And since this time this ideology is a crime.
If you want to see your country not liberated by Soviets and still remained a nazi country, then you should be ready that whole world as in old times will declare war on you again and again untill this evil will be destroyed.

And since I see what kind of new generation is growing in your country I guess this day might come when your generation will rule your country.



Saras, ti zhe znaesh u menya dusha dobraya ya tolko fashistov ne lublyu.

	26-10-2002 18:41									#279
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Serb, the main point as I believe USSR is an absolute evil (on which by the way all world also united in cold war - ones who didn't were various dictators, unsupported by people themselves), not nazi Germany. I don't know what system of propaganda there are in Russia but I certainly didn't expected that Russians STILL believe that nazi Germany was the worst state in the world, especially when Soviet Union was much worse.

BTW, you don't know history, since world didn't united against fascism or Hitler, they fought against him only when he started the warmongering (and at the same time Soviets also started it).

Come on, you can't explain yourself why SU is better than 3rd reich except calling me nazi. That just shows you are full of propaganda, because any of non-propagandic belief should be easy to explain.

	26-10-2002 19:13									#280
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If believing that the SU was even worse than the 3rd reich makes you a Nazi, I guess there are plenty of nazis around...
If Sweden would have had the misfortune to be occupied of one of these pests, I know which one I would have preferred, so I guess I'm a Nazi too

	26-10-2002 19:23									#281
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Serb, what kind of new generation is growing up by the way? In new generation there is much less (almost no) dislike of Russians than on the older one.

I am however quite unsure about times when your generation will rule Russia.

Combat... Yes, you are very right. Serb is very biased an have lots of pre-justice. His last post just showed that.

	26-10-2002 21:41									#282
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Sarai,

Trecio reicho ekonomine sistema buvo paremta kapitalizmu. Is viso pasulyse buvo keturios pagrindines ekonomines sistemos: vergovine, feodaline, socialistine ir kapitalistine Vergovine ekonomine sistema buvo paremta vergais - turtingieji turejo vergu o pastarieji dirbo visa darba, mainais uz tai gaudami tik maista, drabuzius ir busta. Prekyba daugiausiai vyko mainu budu. Feodaline ekonomine sistema buvo techniskai pranasesne, nes valstieciai ten turedavo tik sumoketi tam tikra mokesti feodalui, o visa kita likdavo jiems. Tai reiske, kad jie turejo didesne paskata darbui. Abi pries tai isvardintos ekonomines sistemos dabar jau niekur nebetaikomos, didziojoje dalyje saliu veikia socializmu ir kapitalizmu paremtos ekonomikos. Per daug neuzsitesiu jas aiskindamas, nes jos ir taip gana zinomos ir suprantamos. Tik pasakysiu, kad fasistine Vokietija buvo daug arciau kapitalizmo nei socializmo. Siuo metu mes kalbame apie kapitalizma kaip apie ekonomine sistema, o ne valdymo forma. 3-cio reicho valdymo forma buvo fasizmas, bet fasizmas neturi "savo" ekonomines sistemos. Dauguma fasistiniu/fundamentalistiniu valstybiu turi ivairia ekonomine sistema, pavyzdziui Irakas, Iranas - kapitalizma, o Libija ir S. Koreja - socializma.

	26-10-2002 21:57									#283
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Kapitalizmas, reiskiantis laisva laisvu verslininku veikla ir privacia gamybos veiksniu nuosavybe ir kontrole. Tereikia paskaityti apie zydu verslininku likima vokietijoje ir pamatysi, kad toli ten iki kapitalizmo. Ten arciau iki vergovines sistemos, ypac po Alberto Speero reformu i karo pabaiga.

	26-10-2002 21:59									#284
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You will post in English, or this thread is toast and so are you

	26-10-2002 22:02									#285
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Cool. Should I translate, oh almighty ?

	26-10-2002 22:06									#286
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Not needed at this point in time...

It's just that I've received some complaints lately about things said in foreign languages... so in the near future, I'm going to be tad more strict in enforcing Apolyton's "post in Engligh" rule. Especially in threads where heated debate and emotions have the potential to run high

	26-10-2002 22:20									#287
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Ming, I can ensure you we are not blaming each other with Saras in Lithuanian here

Anyway, as I heard somewhere (probably in that thread asking for permition for Dutch thread about the Dutch elections), post would be legal if only 50% of it is in foreign language... If this is true, than the following part of my post could be Lithuanian (if this is not, than please notice me)...

	26-10-2002 22:45									#288
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quote: Originally posted by Sonic Ming, I can ensure you we are not blaming each other with Saras in Lithuanian here Anyway, as I heard somewhere (probably in that thread asking for permition for Dutch thread about the Dutch elections), post would be legal if only 50% of it is in foreign language... If this is true, than the following part of my post could be Lithuanian (if this is not, than please notice me)...

I bet Serb is mighty curious what you guys said there

	26-10-2002 22:51									#289
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The rule is simple... No posting in foreign languages...

The Finnish thread has been "grandfathered" since it was around before the owners decided to "lay down the law"

I usually don't concern myself with an occasional post,
but since I've received many complaints lately, it's time to get serious about it again.

So no... there is no "50%" rule...

	26-10-2002 23:09									#290
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quote: Originally posted by Sonic Come on, you can't explain yourself why SU is better than 3rd reich except calling me nazi. That just shows you are full of propaganda, because any of non-propagandic belief should be easy to explain.

IS IT YOUR ANCESTORS WHO FOUGHT VS. NAZISM?
IS IT YOUR PEOPLE LOST 27 MILIONS OF HUMAN LIFES IN THIS WAR?
IT WASN’T YOUR ANCESTORS WHO WERE PART OF NAZI ARMY?
WHO THE **** ARE YOU TO LECTURING RUSSIAN PEOPLE THAT THEIR ANCESSTORS LOST THEIR LIFES FOR NOTHING?
YOU ARE NAZI, BECAUSE YOU ARE TRYING TO REHABILITATE NAZISM, YOU ARE TRYING TO WHITEWASH CRIMES OF YOUR ANCESTORS MOTIVATING THIS WITH EVILNESS OF SOVIETS.
Millions of my people died to save such crap as you.

P.S. Feel happy bastard knowing that I’ll be banned now?
and you still do not understand why ideology for which burning of children alive is OK, is the most terrible ideology humanity ever saw... it's really sad. I'm tired of you.

	26-10-2002 23:19									#291
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quote: Originally posted by Serb IS IT YOUR ANCESTORS WHO FOUGHT VS. NAZISM? IS IT YOUR PEOPLE LOST 27 MILIONS OF HUMAN LIFES IN THIS WAR? IT WASN’T YOUR ANCESTORS WHO WERE PART OF NAZI ARMY? WHO THE **** ARE YOU TO LECTURING RUSSIAN PEOPLE THAT THEIR ANCESSTORS LOST THEIR LIFES FOR NOTHING? YOU ARE NAZI, BECAUSE YOU ARE TRYING TO REHABILITATE NAZISM, YOU ARE TRYING TO WHITEWASH CRIMES OF YOUR ANCESTORS MOTIVATING THIS WITH EVILNESS OF SOVIETS. Millions of my people died to save such crap as you. P.S. Feel happy bastard knowing that I’ll be banned now? and you still do not understand why ideology for which burning of children alive is OK, is the most terrible ideology humanity ever saw... it's really sad. I'm tired of you.

Cu Serb

	26-10-2002 23:20									#292
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quote: Originally posted by Serb P.S. Feel happy bastard knowing that I’ll be banned now?

How right you are... see you in a week.

And I don't want to hear how this is censorship, or about how unfair this all is...

You are being restricted because you are making personal attacks after SPECIFICALLY BEING WARNED NOT TO... not your personal opinions.

So enjoy your vacation.

	26-10-2002 23:25									#293
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Wow, language suppression. Ming's turning out to be a right turk.

Is that in the FAQ?

	26-10-2002 23:33									#294
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Like many of the evolving rules, no it isn't.

However, the owners have stated on many occasions that this is an English Language site... please respect their wishes... I'm only enforcing their request.

	26-10-2002 23:35									#295
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quote: Originally posted by Serb IS IT YOUR ANCESTORS WHO FOUGHT VS. NAZISM?

Yep.

quote: IS IT YOUR PEOPLE LOST 27 MILIONS OF HUMAN LIFES IN THIS WAR?

No, but considering we lost 450,000, and the fighting was away from out country, what does that say about American Resolve?

quote: IT WASN’T YOUR ANCESTORS WHO WERE PART OF NAZI ARMY?

*cough*. Well.....They were part of the Kaiser's army...

quote: WHO THE **** ARE YOU TO LECTURING RUSSIAN PEOPLE THAT THEIR ANCESSTORS LOST THEIR LIFES FOR NOTHING?

I guess from Sonic and Saras viewpoint...guys whose countries were unceremonisously taken over by the SU.

quote: YOU ARE NAZI, BECAUSE YOU ARE TRYING TO REHABILITATE NAZISM, YOU ARE TRYING TO WHITEWASH CRIMES OF YOUR ANCESTORS MOTIVATING THIS WITH EVILNESS OF SOVIETS.

I find that a bit of a stretch.

quote: Millions of my people died to save such crap as you.

That was the end result. I dare say the goal was just to get the Germans out.

quote: P.S. Feel happy bastard knowing that I’ll be banned now?

Well, I don't. I'd much rather keep you around.

	26-10-2002 23:37									#296
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Just to set my record straight - we were just discussing whether or not the 3rd reich was capitalist

	26-10-2002 23:42									#297
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quote: However, the owners have stated on many occasions that this is an English Language site... please respect their wishes... I'm only enforcing their request.

Nein!



.....Sorry its the only other language I know.

The Third Reich was capitalist in the sense that they supported industry and didn't take it under direct state control. On the other hand they did use controls and quotas much like post-war social democratic nations....

To be fair Britain had a simular situation during/after the war.

	27-10-2002 00:05									#298
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Oh, and serb - come on, try to be reasonable. No one in his right mind can be a nazi. Sonic was making a point that for Lithuania the Nazi occupation was less bad than the soviet one, and if he had to choose he would choose the nazi one. So would I, I guess. That in no way makes us nazis, that makes us people looking at bare facts and making choices based on them.

If we could, we would have chosed independence, but we couldn't.

	27-10-2002 00:07									#299
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Evil - capitalism is based on freedom and protection of property - you should talk to the German Warburgs about how capitalist germany was

	27-10-2002 00:27									#300
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Capitalism is based on the freedom and protection of the proerty of capitalists, not everyone.