23-10-2002 01:32									#91
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Because of their own nagging doubts or to convert others to their 'religion'.

	23-10-2002 01:35									#92
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quote: Then why do people like you two invade all religious themed threads ?

Because they can't let the discussion go. It's more important to them than they ever will admit or pherhaps even know.

	23-10-2002 01:37									#93
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc An atheist started the thread. Take it up with him.

My take is that he posted it out of scientific interest. If it is ever proven that the Christian Jesus is based on a historical Jesus that would be front page news. It's the religious types like yourself that all jumped up and down in excitement, claiming that you were right all along. We just wanted to calm you all down by pointing out that this "new" find doesn't prove nada

	23-10-2002 01:37									#94
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Probably, SD.
They should thank, whatever, for people of religious convictions. It seems we're all that gives their sorry lives purpose.

	23-10-2002 01:41									#95
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quote: Originally posted by Hueij It's the religious types like yourself that all jumped up and down in excitement, claiming that you were right all along.

I did no such thing.

	23-10-2002 01:42									#96
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quote: Originally posted by Sagacious Dolphin Because of their own nagging doubts or to convert others to their 'religion'.

Hehe... on the contrary. I don't want to convert you. If you are happy with your beliefs by all means keep them. Now if all you Christian types stop to try make the rest of us live by YOUR norms and values you won't ever hear from us again.

	23-10-2002 01:44									#97
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How many historical references are there to Mohammed? And do the people who believe Jesus did not exist have views on the existence of Mohammed?

	23-10-2002 01:45									#98
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The Netherlands don't exist, so go away.

	23-10-2002 01:46									#99
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quote: Originally posted by Hueij Hehe... on the contrary. I don't want to convert you. If you are happy with your beliefs by all means keep them. Now if all you Christian types stop to try make the rest of us live by YOUR norms and values you won't ever hear from us again.

I've never imposed my views on anyone. Most people are unaware of my values or of what I consider norms - the only people who do have specifically asked me.

It took one of my friends 8 years to realise I even had religous beliefs.

	23-10-2002 01:54									#100
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quote: Originally posted by Sagacious Dolphin I've never imposed my views on anyone. Most people are unaware of my values or of what I consider norms - the only people who do have specifically asked me. It took one of my friends 8 years to realise I even had religous beliefs.

Maybe not you personally. But a lot of them wouldn't hesitate a moment to take away my right (I'm Dutch ) to smoke weed, to marry my boyfriend (should i be gay), to decide for myself how and when I die, to have an abortion, to shop on a Sunday etc, usw... Ask Cybershy...

	23-10-2002 01:59									#101
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quote: We just wanted to calm you all down by pointing out that this "new" find doesn't prove nada

I know that it doens't prove anything.
But I get slightly tired of people who claim that Jesus never existed. Not because of my faith, but because I feel you must be pretty ignorant to claim such a thing.

Pherhaps like other people feel that I'm ignorant about saying that evolution didn't happen

quote: Now if all you Christian types stop to try make the rest of us live by YOUR norms and values you won't ever hear from us again.

YES PLEASE! Stop that
I'm serious on that. The christian faith is not a moral-container!

	23-10-2002 02:00									#102
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For abortion, but probably against capital punishment.
Again, the model of consistency.
Personally:
1) I think laws against reefer is stupid.
2) I couldn't care less if you marry your Gay buddy.
3) Suicide is a chicken **** way out.
4) Shop till ya drop.

	23-10-2002 02:02									#103
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quote: Maybe not you personally. But a lot of them wouldn't hesitate a moment to take away my right (I'm Dutch ) to smoke weed, to marry my boyfriend (should i be gay), to decide for myself how and when I die, to have an abortion, to shop on a Sunday etc, usw... Ask Cybershy...

Cool, I didn't read this yet before my first reply.
Did I ever say things like that?

Or is it your 'vooroordeel' that I will think that way?
I'm serious on the issue that we christians *should not* tell others what to do and what to don't.

But if we're in a discussion about things, I can defend my point of view, that's fair, isn't it?

	23-10-2002 02:06									#104
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Atheists. Gots to love 'em. Always good for a laugh.

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	23-10-2002 02:08									#105
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quote: Did I ever say things like that?

Yep

quote: But if we're in a discussion about things, I can defend my point of view, that's fair, isn't it?

Yep again, as long as you don't want to make me living according to your point of view...

	23-10-2002 02:45									#106
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quote: Originally posted by Hueij Maybe not you personally. But a lot of them wouldn't hesitate a moment to take away my right (I'm Dutch ) to smoke weed, to marry my boyfriend (should i be gay), to decide for myself how and when I die, to have an abortion, to shop on a Sunday etc, usw... Ask Cybershy...

Thats a case of the loudest voice being heard, rather than the most popular opinion. You hear those people because the 99% of the other christians out there are leaving you alone.

Yet you tarnish all of them with the same brush with comments like "Now if all you Christian types stop to try make the rest of us live by YOUR norms and values you won't ever hear from us again".

I suggest in future you stick to the topics raised by the posters of a christian viewpoint rather than your preconceptions of such posters.

	23-10-2002 02:49									#107
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You following the thread about Dutch politics? The party Cyber is advocating just wants to do what I'm afraid of. And there are a lot of them...

	23-10-2002 02:53									#108
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And compared to the 1 billion plus on the planet? IS everyone who supports them christian? Were all those who followed LePen far right French National Front activists?

	23-10-2002 04:07									#109
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quote: Originally posted by SlowwHand Let me re-phrase. Why do atheists feel so compelled to start religious threads?

You religious people never could do theology properly. You get so engaged in your steadfast beliefs, while we can dissect and analyse your myths and legends in a much more constructive way.

	23-10-2002 04:12									#110
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Yeah. Uhhhh, right.

	23-10-2002 04:20									#111
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quote: You following the thread about Dutch politics? The party Cyber is advocating just wants to do what I'm afraid of. And there are a lot of them...

You do not know the difference between advocating and supporting, do you?

Really really short sighted in a discussion if you can't split those two, I'm sure, but I can't help noticing that.
I'm very keen on the "don't push morals through others troat" issue.

you say that I did say those things.
Quote me #doitnow!#

	23-10-2002 04:37									#112
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We should not force people to live according to a Christian world view.


We should force them to live according to an atheist world view! Gee, Can't you guys figure that out?

	23-10-2002 04:42									#113
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Lincoln, does the prospect of an Atheist burning in Hell bother you?
Am I bad because it doesn't bother me?

I look at it like this.
I'm no mechanic. It's not my fault/problem if someone has a crappy running car.
I'm no minister, so....

	23-10-2002 04:44									#114
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quote: Originally posted by CyberShy The thing is that I now and than almost am tricked into giving a serious response to Sava. But when I see the name AH next to a post, I never have that, but only have the smile and AH is absolutely the troll master! He can't be token seriously, not even if he wants to! And indeed, Civie might come close! Nobody will ever take him serious.

You only say I'm a troll because you are a bigot against catholics

	23-10-2002 04:47									#115
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quote: Originally posted by Buck Birdseed You religious people never could do theology properly. You get so engaged in your steadfast beliefs, while we can dissect and analyse your myths and legends in a much more constructive way.

How do you dissect and analyse an idea such as "Blessed are the peacemakers", or "Love thy neighbour"?

Stories get twisted and mis-conveyed, but the message is as clear as ever. It matters not to me if Jesus was born via immaculate conception, or whether the wise men were led to his place of birth - possibly in Bethlehem - by a star, comet or other celestial body. To me that is padding. All I care about is the message he brought, and what it represents.

Do you care about the life of Darwin when reading about evolution?

	23-10-2002 04:50									#116
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Darwin is a myth. A fabrication of a lunatic's mind.

	23-10-2002 04:57									#117
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quote: Originally posted by SlowwHand Lincoln, does the prospect of an Atheist burning in Hell bother you? Am I bad because it doesn't bother me?

It should bother you. As a Christian you have a duty to try and save us from perdition. You are your brother's keeper.

	23-10-2002 04:59									#118
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quote: Lincoln, does the prospect of an Atheist burning in Hell bother you? Am I bad because it doesn't bother me? I look at it like this. I'm no mechanic. It's not my fault/problem if someone has a crappy running car. I'm no minister, so....

Ok, so the prosepct of an athiest burning in hell doesn't bother you. Reasonably understandable - by the definition of athiest, that's what's going to happen.

The more important question is whether you should be bothered that someone will burn in hell because they are an athiest, whereas you had the opportunity to convince them otherwise.

Does that bother you? It should. It's a central part of Christian faith and living that we should tell others. Ok, maybe you don't have to shove your morality down their throat - but make sure they know you're Christian, and make sure you do all you can to convice them to become Christian if they seem to be willing.

	23-10-2002 05:02									#119
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Wanna be another member of the Christian Commie team Che?

	23-10-2002 05:02									#120
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Well I take the view that the way you live is more important than what you believe.

Is Gandhi now in hell because he wasn't christian? I doubt it. You can die in complete ignorance of christianity and still be christian if you display the virtuous qualities of compassion etc.