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Dr Strangelove
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IIRC Sarin and VX generally kill within 5 to 10 minutes, so I would doubt that they or something like them was used. That particular class of nerve gas agents I believe act by paralyzing the nervous system, not by knocking people out. When people pass out due to classic nerve gas poisoning it's because they are dying of asphyxia. There is an antidote, but It's difficult to imagine someone planning to use this type of agent with the hope of giving the antidote to some 700+ people within the narrow time limit before resuscitation is not possible. Then again, one report said that the Russians sent in over one hundred troops. Maybe each one was supposed to give the antidote to 5 to 10 hostages. Next problem: giving the antidote IV would take too long, but giving it IM the absorption might not be fast enough to take effect before circulatory collapse sets in, particularily if you've already waited long enough for the gunmen to become incapacitated and you've got to move one hundred troops into the building and disperse them to all the victims. Oh, and you've also got to disarm the boms.
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JCG
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between a rock and a hard place
Feb 2002
time: 00:23
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Well, at least TWO people did die from gunshot wounds...
Taken from CNN.com:
"'A lot of blood'
Details of the run-up to the special forces bursting into the theatre became clearer on Sunday.
A reporter for the Interfax news agency, Olga Chernyak, who was among the hostages, said: "I lost consciousness and woke up in the emergency room," she said, but she insisted the operation was necessary.
"We were all waiting to die. We understood that they would not let us out alive," Interfax quoted her as saying.
"They (Chechen rebels) killed two hostages before our eyes, a woman and a man. They shot the man in the eye, there was a lot of blood."
But she went on to say that the two hostages were killed in response to a young boy having a tantrum and running for the exit.
"He dashed towards the exit, shouting: 'Mummy, I don't know what to do.' They opened fire on him, but missed and hit seated people instead," she told Russian television from her hospital bed late on Saturday."
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The Mad Monk
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of Ice Cream
Mar 2000
time: 23:23
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*Ahem*
quote:
'A lot of blood'
Details of the run-up to the special forces bursting into the theatre became clearer on Sunday.
A reporter for the Interfax news agency, Olga Chernyak, who was among the hostages, said: "I lost consciousness and woke up in the emergency room," she said, but she insisted the operation was necessary.
"We were all waiting to die. We understood that they would not let us out alive," Interfax quoted her as saying.
"They (Chechen rebels) killed two hostages before our eyes, a woman and a man. They shot the man in the eye, there was a lot of blood."
But she went on to say that the two hostages were killed in response to a young boy having a tantrum and running for the exit.
"He dashed towards the exit, shouting: 'Mummy, I don't know what to do.' They opened fire on him, but missed and hit seated people instead," she told Russian television from her hospital bed late on Saturday.
Putin called the operation on the theatre part of the international fight against terrorism.
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The Mad Monk
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of Ice Cream
Mar 2000
time: 23:23
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quote:
Chernyak said that throughout the siege the guerrillas kept threatening hostages with imminent death, telling them the building was rigged with explosives and nobody would escape.
Before the raid early on Saturday a man stumbled in, saying he had managed to get past the security cordon outside the theatre and that he was looking for his son who was among the hostages.
"They did not find the boy. So they started to beat him up in a terrifying manner," Chernyak said.
"Before that in the same way they beat up a guy who had left the toilet -- the orchestra pit -- the wrong way, just climbed out of it," she said. "He was beaten, kicked, it was awful."
The hostage-takers had threatened to kill all the hostages
The presence of 18 female suicide fighters with explosives strapped to their waists among the hundreds of frightened theatregoers added to the atmosphere of fear and violence, Chernyak said.
"These Chechen girls, they were so happy that finally they were about to be free, that finally they were about to blow themselves up," Chernyak said.
She said the women -- each carrying up to two kilos (4.4 pounds) of explosives stuffed with ball-bearings and nails -- repeatedly told terrified hostages they were looking forward to dying and taking others with them.
"When they heard a noise from outside -- some eight hours before the storming -- they immediately dispersed among the audience," Chernyak said.
After the siege was over, Russian television showed the women's bloodied black-clad bodies sprawled or slumped in their seats, still attached to their explosive devices.
None of the "black widows," so named by some local media because three of them were married to Chechen field commanders killed by Russian forces in Chechnya, managed to detonate their bombs.
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Sonic
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Vilnius, Lithuania
Dec 2001
time: 07:23
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Fez, so probably it otherwise if many Spanish people says against a war with Iraq and you say for the war. perhaps you are traitor then?
Anyway, as facts shows terrorists weren't killing hostages at all on regular basis (they just shot at ones trying to escape), thus probably invation wasn't needed at all? Probably terrorists would have negotiated into smaller things after they would have started wanting to eat, etc. At all Chechenyan terrorist hostage-takings terrorists said that they don't wnat to stay alive, but in all such situations before they actually agreed to much smaller demands then removing troops from Chechnya. I think probably after several days (after seeing that removing trops demand will not be accomplished) these terrorists would have also agreed to just letting them free and probably getting something like 500000 dollars. You say maybe too much for terrorists? I doubt you would say that if one of killed hostages would be your relative...
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Saint Marcus
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Scio Me Nihil Scire
Jan 1970
time: 06:23
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funny. BBC, New York Times, CNN, United Press and others report it is not tear gas...
source?
also, most of the population of Spain is against a war:
An ICM/Guardian poll found that only 33 percent of the British population support an attack on Iraq, while 44 percent oppose it.
According to an Irish Times/MRBI poll, only 22 percent of the Irish population supported the war, while 68 percent opposed it.
Most decisive was opinion in Spain, where, according to a poll held by Instituto Opina and El Pais, 87 percent opposed war, while a mere 9.3 percent supported it.
so you're the traitor. only 9.3% of your people support the war. no wonder you fled to Argentina.
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27-10-2002 20:15
There was absolutely NO reason for the Russians to go in after them 
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