20-12-2002 00:51									#91
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1. Age of Empires
   
2. Civilization 3
   
3. Civilization 2
   
4. SMAC
   
5. Doom 2
   
6. Outpost
   
7. Sim City 2000
   
8. Castle Wolfenstein
   
9. The Sims
   
10. Michael Jordan In Flight
    

	20-12-2002 02:02									#92
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1. SMAC/X
2. The Dig
3. C&C Tiberian Sun
4. Railroad Tycoon 2
5. Homeworld
6. Beneath A Steel Sky
7. Civ2
8. Settlers 2
9. Pharaoh
10. Monkey Island 2

	20-12-2002 16:13									#93
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ADG, I would like to point out tho that MoM and MOO acronym shorthands are even used in FORUM TITLES in this same site....
... so they too should be immediately recognizable for a true apolytoner...

	20-12-2002 16:17									#94
	Re: Re: Re: Top games (not series) Tired of ads?

quote: Originally posted by ADG That's right. Addons, expansion packs (Isn't that the same?) and mods doesn't count Especially mods, I'd say, since if you CAN mod a game, then it's the game, that should have points for making it possible to make a good mod, it's not the mod that's the game, a mod can only change the game (like addons can)

So, you should merge with SMAC the SMAX votes (including your mistyped SMSX entry... )

Merry Krishna & Hare Xmas to everybody!

	20-12-2002 16:21									#95
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ADG, can you open Excel files?
I'd have a present for you then...

	20-12-2002 16:22									#96
	Re: Re: Re: Re: Top games (not series) Got spare money?

quote: Originally posted by MariOne ADG, I would like to point out tho that MoM and MOO acronym shorthands are even used in FORUM TITLES in this same site.... ... so they too should be immediately recognizable for a true apolytoner...

I never look at the forum titles. The only forums I visit is Civ3/PTW/Other games/OT...

quote: Originally posted by MariOne So, you should merge with SMAC the SMAX votes (including your mistyped SMSX entry... ) Merry Krishna & Hare Xmas to everybody!

You mean, it's the same game (and addon)? Didn't know that, I have only played like 10 turns of SMAC before I deleted it... (Correcting the mistake in a few minutes...)

	20-12-2002 16:23									#97
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quote: Originally posted by MariOne ADG, can you open Excel files? I'd have a present for you then...

Well... it worked last time I tried to open one

	20-12-2002 16:52									#98
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quote: You mean, it's the same game (and addon)? Didn't know that, I have only played like 10 turns of SMAC before I deleted it... (Correcting the mistake in a few minutes...)

SMAX = Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri : Alien Crossfire. Yes, an expansion pack.

	20-12-2002 19:17									#99
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I used Excel2000, but saved it in compatibility mode with the 97 and 5.0/95 versions, hope it works, never really tested it.

I did NOT check for names/versions, it could be done cross-checking it with some site keeping a games listing, like mobygames or many others....

I included geoffrey arnold's votes, taking out ToT which is not even an addon/expansion, but just a modpack (!). I thus shifted the other games up one notch.

On first row I calculated a "representativity index".
This is no exisiting official statistical index, it's a makeshift something I thought of on the spot.
It's the sum of the products (game per game) of your points time the total points of that game, divided in the end by the total points expressed overall.
It "should" give a hint of how much one voted "like the others", and thus of how much he alone could be taken as "representing" the voters population sample.

Actually, if one voted now the Top Ten in the order, he got the maximum representativity and it would be 4.58.
If one voted now the Bottom Ten in reverse order, he'd have the least representativity and it would be 0.30 or something....

I then ordered the voters columns according to that index...
Take it for what it's worth, one could as well be legitimately proud of having voted *different* games than the mainstream here...
It's peculiar tho that Thrawn05 has no TBS in his top 10 games, one could wonder what does he find in a site like this

It's interesting also that CtP has the highest average, but not as much voters as the other main TBS (the Civs and SMAC).
This could mean that either you love it or you hate it.
Or that in this site there are effectively less posters who actually played it...

Attachment: acs topgame xl97.zip
This has been downloaded 3 time(s).

	20-12-2002 19:29									#100
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Stupid interface!
Double post...

	20-12-2002 20:07									#101
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Thx, great present

Though one thing puzzles me: Why did you make some fields yellow? I understand why you made geoffrey arnold's field yellow, though the other yellow fields, doesn't make much sense to me... (Some games, and some voter' points)... Ok, at closer look, then you made GTA3 and GTA Vice City yellow, and since those two are basicly the same game, they should be counted together (Will do that now, and post it here in a few minutes...)

Last edited by Adagio on 20-12-2002 at 20:24

	20-12-2002 20:20									#102
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Here's the list, for those who can't open excel files (Or just don't want to download it):

code:

Position	Game				POINTS	# Votes	Average
1		Civilization 2			291	22	13.2
2		SMAC				159	14	11.4
3		Call to Power 2			155	9	17.2
4		Civilization 1			128	13	9.8
5		Civilization 3			108	11	9.8
6		Call to Power			101	9	11.2
7		Championship Manager 97/98	65	4	16.3
7		Doom 2				65	6	10.8
9		Europa Universalis II		57	6	9.5
10		Deus Ex				48	3	16.0
11		SimCity 3000			41	4	10.3
12		Diablo 2			38	4	9.5
14		Homeworld			35	4	8.8
14		UFO - Enemy Unknown		35	3	11.7
16		Baldur's Gate 2			34	5	6.8
16		Doom				34	6	5.7
18		Chrono Trigger			33	3	11.0
19		Final Fantasy 6			32	3	10.7
19		Shining Force 2			32	2	16.0
19		SimCity 2000			32	4	8.0
19		U.F.O.				32	2	16.0
23		TESIII: Morrowind		29	3	9.7
24		Panzer general 2		27	2	13.5
24		Sam 'N Max: Hit the Road	27	3	9.0
24		The Settlers 2			27	4	6.8
27		The Dig				25	2	12.5
27		Thief				25	2	12.5
29		Monkey Island 2			24	3	8.0
29		Total Annihilation		24	2	12.0
31		Caesar III			23	5	4.6
31		Riven				23	2	11.5
33		Goldeneye			22	3	7.3
33		Master of Magic			22	2	11.0
33		Pharaoh				22	2	11.0
33		Quake				22	2	11.0
33		Sensible World of Soccer	22	3	7.3
38		Age of Empires			20	1	20.0
38		Aliens vs Predator		20	1	20.0
38		Command & Conquer		20	3	6.7
38		Fallout 2			20	1	20.0
13		Grand Theft Auto III		37	6	6.2
38		M.U.L.E.			20	1	20.0
38		Master of Orion 2		20	3	6.7
38		Railroad Tycoon II		20	2	10.0
38		Ultima VII			20	1	20.0
46		Heroes of Might and Magic 3	18	2	9.0
47		American McGee's Alice		17	2	8.5
47		Master of Orion			17	3	5.7
49		Europa Universalis		16	2	8.0
49		fallout				16	2	8.0
49		Starcraft			16	2	8.0
49		The Settlers 3			16	2	8.0
53		Commandos 2			15	1	15.0
53		Gabriel Knight			15	1	15.0
53		Heroes of Might and Magic 2	15	1	15.0
53		Mario Kart 64			15	1	15.0
53		People's General		15	1	15.0
53		Pro Evolution Soccer		15	1	15.0
53		RollerCoaster Tycoon 2		15	1	15.0
60		Colonization			14	2	7.0
60		Final Fantasy 7			14	2	7.0
60		Nethack				14	2	7.0
63		Emperor				12	1	12.0
63		Escape Velocity			12	1	12.0
63		Half-Life			12	3	4.0
63		Lemmings 2			12	1	12.0
63		MDK				12	1	12.0
63		SSX Tricky			12	1	12.0
63		Stella Polaris			12	1	12.0
63		Super Mario world 3		12	1	12.0
63		System Shock II			12	1	12.0
63		Tecmo Superbowl			12	1	12.0
63		Theme Park			12	2	6.0
63		Warcraft 2			12	4	3.0
63		Wing Commander: the Prophecy	12	1	12.0
63		Worms 2				12	1	12.0
77		RollerCoaster Tycoon		11	2	5.5
78		Archon				10	1	10.0
78		Combat Mission			10	1	10.0
78		Freespace 2			10	1	10.0
78		Imperialism 1			10	1	10.0
78		Imperialism 2			10	2	5.0
78		Jagged Alliance			10	1	10.0
78		Micro Machines 2		10	1	10.0
78		Ogre Battle			10	1	10.0
78		Red Alert			10	1	10.0
78		Steel Panthers: World at War	10	1	10.0
78		Syndicate Wars			10	1	10.0
89		Age of Empires II		9	2	4.5
89		Myst				9	2	4.5
91		Baldur's Gate			8	1	8.0
91		Close Combat 2			8	1	8.0
91		Diablo				8	1	8.0
91		Earthbound			8	1	8.0
91		FIFA98: Road to France		8	1	8.0
91		Freespace			8	1	8.0
91		Grand Theft Auto 1		8	1	8.0
91		Grim Fandango			8	1	8.0
91		Screamer Rally			8	1	8.0
91		Start Trek Away Team		8	1	8.0
91		Stars!				8	1	8.0
91		Thief 2				8	1	8.0
91		Zeus				8	1	8.0
104		Quake 2				7	2	3.5
104		Transport Tycoon		7	2	3.5
106		Beneath a Steel Sky		6	1	6.0
106		Descent				6	1	6.0
106		Fifa 2000			6	1	6.0
106		Mega Man X4			6	1	6.0
106		Nibbles				6	1	6.0
106		Outpost				6	1	6.0
106		Pac Man				6	1	6.0
106		Perfect Dark			6	1	6.0
106		Railroad Tycoon			6	1	6.0
106		Sonic 1				6	1	6.0
106		Space Empires 4			6	1	6.0
106		SW: TIE FIGHTER			6	1	6.0
106		Warlords II			6	1	6.0
106		Worms World Party		6	2	3.0
106		X - Beyond the frontier		6	1	6.0
121		Caesar II			5	2	2.5
121		Duke Nukem 3D			5	2	2.5
121		Quake 3				5	2	2.5
121		SimCity Classic			5	2	2.5
121		The Sims			5	2	2.5
121		Warcraft 3			5	2	2.5
127		Command & Conquer		4	2	2.0
127		Curse of Monkey Island		4	1	4.0
127		DeadLock			4	1	4.0
127		Demon Stalkers			4	1	4.0
127		Donkey Kong			4	1	4.0
127		Dune				4	1	4.0
127		Final Fantasy 1			4	2	2.0
127		Independence War 2		4	1	4.0
127		Land Stalker			4	1	4.0
127		Machiavelli the Prince		4	1	4.0
127		mario cart			4	1	4.0
127		Nigel Mansell's Racing		4	1	4.0
127		Nights				4	1	4.0
127		SW: Force Commander		4	1	4.0
127		Syndicate			4	3	1.3
127		Tetris				4	1	4.0
143		Angband/Zangband		3	1	3.0
143		Archon 2			3	1	3.0
143		Bomb Fusion			3	1	3.0
143		Castle Wolfenstein		3	1	3.0
143		Desperados			3	1	3.0
143		Gauntlet: Dark Legacy		3	1	3.0
143		Historyline: 1914 - 1918	3	1	3.0
143		Neverwinter Night´s		3	2	1.5
143		Nobunaga's Ambition 2		3	1	3.0
143		Planescape Torment		3	1	3.0
143		SouldBlade			3	1	3.0
143		Star General			3	1	3.0
143		The Wheel of Time		3	1	3.0
156		Crusader: No Regret		2	1	2.0
156		Dig Dug				2	1	2.0
156		Empire Earth			2	1	2.0
156		Grand Turismo 2			2	1	2.0
156		Heroes of Might and Magic 4	2	1	2.0
156		Lemmings			2	1	2.0
156		Lords of the Realm 2		2	1	2.0
156		Maniac Mansion 2		2	1	2.0
156		Monkey Island			2	1	2.0
156		Sacrifice			2	1	2.0
156		Star Fox			2	1	2.0
156		The secret of Monkey Island	2	1	2.0
156		Utopia				2	1	2.0
169		Age of Wonders 1		1	1	1.0
169		Battle Isle			1	1	1.0
169		Commandos			1	1	1.0
169		Cossacks			1	1	1.0
169		FreeCell			1	1	1.0
169		Indiana Jones			1	1	1.0
169		Mario 64			1	1	1.0
169		Med: Total War			1	1	1.0
169		Michael Jordan in flight	1	1	1.0
169		Monkey Island 3			1	1	1.0
169		Pac-Mania			1	1	1.0
169		Panzer General 1		1	1	1.0
169		Panzer General 3		1	1	1.0
169		Pokemon Silver			1	1	1.0
169		Sega Rally			1	1	1.0
169		Sould Reaver			1	1	1.0
169		Space Empires 3			1	1	1.0
169		Super Mario Kart		1	1	1.0
169		Tactical Ogre			1	1	1.0

	20-12-2002 20:25									#103
	Tired of ads?

I guess I'm not the one, to do the counting of votes, in next vote... I keep making mistakes

	20-12-2002 21:04									#104
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Actually, I marked in yellow the entries that had pending issues, or that I just was unsure of the name/version etc...
For instance, the correct name and belonging of Morrowind.

About GTA3 and Vice City, actually, it looks like
VC is not just the porting og GTA3 to PS2, but a different game altogether.

http://pc.mobygames.com/game_group/...ameGroupId,167/
http://www.mobygames.com/game/sheet/gameId=7626

Or rather, it's not clear whether GTA:VC is an expansion or has somewhat different game mechanics than GTA3.
Hell, for what I know I have neither idea whether GTA2 nad GTA3 deserve the dignity of new games or are just the same game with new adventures, scenarios, car models.... :grin:

	20-12-2002 21:12									#105
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I'd say GTA: VC is more or less, the same thing as an expansion pack (Just as standalone). It uses the same game mechanics (Gameplay, graphics, etc, are the same) as GTA3 (and it's not called GTA4)

quote: Or rather, it's not clear whether GTA:VC is an expansion or has somewhat different game mechanics than GTA3. Hell, for what I know I have neither idea whether GTA2 nad GTA3 deserve the dignity of new games or are just the same game with new adventures, scenarios, car models.... :grin:

Well... if you say GTA2 is the same as GTA3, then you could also just say Civ2 is the same as Civ3 (Same gameplay, goal, units, etc)

	23-12-2002 01:33									#106
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OK here is my games top list:

Call To Power 2
Civilization: Call To Power
Fallout 2
Fallout
Diablo 1
Outcast
Sim City 2000
Syndicate
The Settlers 2
Command and Conquer: Red Alert

-Martin

	23-12-2002 08:55									#107
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1. Final Fantasy 6
2. Kirby 3
3. Warcraft 3
4. Avernum 2(it's such a touch decision..)
5. Angband
6. SMAC
7. Diablo 2
8. Doom 2
9. Zelda: a Link to the past
10. HOMMIII

	23-12-2002 16:52									#108
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List updated...

From now on, the list is avaliable here (Makes it easier to post)

	23-12-2002 19:16									#109
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1. championship manager 97/98
2. Ceasar 3
3. Civ 3
4. Civ2
5. command & conquer 2
6. monkey island 3
7. commando 1
8. Gabriel Knight 2
9. Flashpoint
10. Broken sword

	24-12-2002 01:23									#110
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I'm deeply disturbed at SMAC being overtaken by every other game in the civ family, sans CtP 1. What is wrong with you people? *sigh* On to my pitch:

1) SMAC
2) Thief II
3) Fallout 2
4) Baldur's Gate
5) Planescape: Torment
6) Betrayal at Krondor
7) Ultima VII
8) Privateer 2
9) Wing Commander IV
10) Princess Maker 2 (score one for Jap lifesims )

	25-12-2002 15:12									#111
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1-10 on my all favorite list:

Call to Power
Civilization 2
Age of Empires I
Red Alert (a Command & Conquer game)
Stronghold
Age of Empires II
Med: Total War
Rebellion (a StarWar game)
Caesar III
SimCity Classic

Other games, that I have played (and still remember ) .

Quake 2
SMAC
Call to Power 2
Tetris
Risk (an old DOS-game)
The Perfect General II (also an old DOS-game)

	27-12-2002 13:34									#112
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Here is my vote:

1. Birth of the federation
2. Master of Orion
3. Call to power
4. Civil War: Generals
5. Civ 3
6. Age of Empires II
7. Caesar 3
8. Reach for the stars
9. Europa Universalis
10. I-War

And much more

	27-12-2002 16:48									#113
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Updated, and still only avaliable here

	27-12-2002 21:53									#114
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Count-down has started: 4 days left...

So for those, who haven't voted yet: VOTE!!!

	28-12-2002 22:05									#115
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1. CTP2 as modified with Apolyton Pack

2. CIV2

3. Stronghold

4. CTP2 as modified with Medeival Mod

	29-12-2002 00:10									#116
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mnbryan37 >>

You can only vote for ctp2 once, which means you have only voted 3 games. You can vote up to 10 games...

	29-12-2002 07:38									#117
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Sorry about that. My revised list would then be:

1. CTP2

2. Risk

3. Civ2

4. Panzer General

5. Stronghold

6. Tigers In The Snow

	29-12-2002 16:35									#118
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That's better, though there are still 4 votes left, but I could also just count those 6 votes in, if you wish (Will do that later today, unless you objects)

Countdown still running: 2 days left

	30-12-2002 17:26									#119
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Damn... Somehow my newest version of the topGames is lost , On the one I have at home now, the last one included is Qualicide's votes

Btw... there's only one day left...in case you haven't noticed

	30-12-2002 23:26									#120
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I don't play a lot of games. In fact the only game I've played in the last two years is CTP2. So, I will cast my one and only vote for it.

(Although I do sort of regret that I never got into AC. If so many people have been playing it for so long, there must be something to it.)