22-11-2002 06:12									#61
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I still have need for a slave master. Perhaps some loyal member of the tribe might volunteer to serve in such a post?

--Togas

	22-11-2002 06:29									#62
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O Great Togas, Lord and Master of the Kingdom of the Iberians and the Visigoths, were that I had not yet received my copy of Play the World, I, surely your most faithful servant, would volunteer for anything you would need.

	22-11-2002 06:52									#63
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I find myself struck by the same illness that Hernan de History Guy Calamari is, or else I would gladly serve my lord. I hope that another, healthier individual is able to assist my lord in this matter, or that I recover shortly. (Very unlikely before December...)

-- ada I del Mada

	23-11-2002 04:46									#64
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Ah, then it is a plague!

	23-11-2002 04:47									#65
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O great Togas, I would, but

I suck at Play the World.



(Meaning, I don't really want to. You can do it yourself, or I can get the first 5-turns slavemaster position(only a couple of tasks! )

	23-11-2002 04:54									#66
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Wow, me and History Guy totally posted at the same time, dude. Which reminds me, if you're in the regular C3DG, vote El Duderino to rename Contaginon.

Anywayz, I say, what do you usually do with a worker on the first few turns anywayz? I usually have it build roads in my own city and then once the first spear is done I have it head out building behind the spear's path to the nearest bestest building location. Is this good?

	23-11-2002 05:04									#67
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quote: Originally posted by mrmitchell Anywayz, I say, what do you usually do with a worker on the first few turns anywayz? I usually have it build roads in my own city and then once the first spear is done I have it head out building behind the spear's path to the nearest bestest building location. Is this good?

if you have bonus squares such as wheat or better yet a cow, it is a good idea to start by irrigating to start having the city grow as fast as possible, then road.

I try to identify 2 or 3 key tiles that will most benefit me, improve them, and then begin roading to luxuries or a good city location. This can all be done usually before the first settler comes off the line anyway.

	23-11-2002 05:08									#68
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quote: Originally posted by History Guy Ah, then it is a plague!

Yeah, it's a known plague in Europe these days.
It came from an unhealthy goods distributor.
Amazon, something with uk.
Amazonasplague we call it over here.

	23-11-2002 05:08									#69
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Ye gads!

	23-11-2002 05:10									#70
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Uhhhh...unhealthy...goods...distributor? *gulp* Un....heaaaaalthy...goooods distributooooor...*gulp gulp gulp*......unnnnnn...OH! You mean Amazon!!

Much Relieved,
Hernan de History Guy Calamari
Squid Salesman

	23-11-2002 05:35									#71
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Sadly, this illness does not seem to be confined to Europe. I myself and many others in the far-off land of Oz also find ourselves afflicted by it.

	23-11-2002 06:39									#72
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WHAT TO DO WITH FIRST WORKER:

Roads (to any luxes) and MINES

	23-11-2002 07:32									#73
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quote: Originally posted by Arnelos WHAT TO DO WITH FIRST WORKER: Roads (to any luxes) and MINES

who has control of first worker?

As governor of Madrid, I petition we get the greatest capable production ASAP. if a luxury is available, that becomes the next greatest priority.

	23-11-2002 08:53									#74
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mines should be secondary to the opportunity to irrigate a bonus tile that will actually yield more food prior to a more advanced form of government (ie: cows or wheat), I humbly suggest we irrigate that first and let REX be our primary objective.

Cows and wheat are a free ticket to more cities which is a free ticket to more resources, a free ticket to more commerce, a free ticket to production, a free ticket to more... bleh

Obviously this is only applies if we actually are blessed with such a good starting position as would give us bonus tiles. Irrigating typical grassland squares under despotism is fruitless as we all know, and in that case, mines it should be.

But I don't think mines at all costs will ever outweigh the benefit of faster REX (provided are start allows it )

	23-11-2002 10:14									#75
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quote: Originally posted by ruby_maser mines should be secondary to the opportunity to irrigate a bonus tile that will actually yield more food prior to a more advanced form of government (ie: cows or wheat), I humbly suggest we irrigate that first and let REX be our primary objective. Cows and wheat are a free ticket to more cities which is a free ticket to more resources, a free ticket to more commerce, a free ticket to production, a free ticket to more... bleh Obviously this is only applies if we actually are blessed with such a good starting position as would give us bonus tiles. Irrigating typical grassland squares under despotism is fruitless as we all know, and in that case, mines it should be. But I don't think mines at all costs will ever outweigh the benefit of faster REX (provided are start allows it )

Faster REX is manytimes assured by building 2 mines early-on while building a granary. Once you have 2-3 mines to boost production and granary so your population can keep pace with your production, REXing is FAR more efficient. Otherwise, it takes too long build spear+settler combos.

Ultimately, however, which of these two plans is superior will be decided by the start location (which we can't see yet...). If we're in a high-food area, build mines to boost shield production. If we're in a high-production area, irrigate land (if possible) to boost food production.

	23-11-2002 15:50									#76
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It would have been nice to found Madrid on a hilly landscape...
Hopefully with a river running through some grasslands too.
And some lux- goods and cows would have been the perfect dream.

I will settle in the hills outside town and lead my flock of goats, until we meet another culture.
I will talk politely to them then, and ask them to leave my hills.
Hasta la vista, I say...

Well, we must scout for a great spot the first few turns.
With hills for my bearded four-legged warriors to wander.

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	23-11-2002 19:34									#77
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quote: Originally posted by Arnelos Faster REX is manytimes assured by building 2 mines early-on while building a granary. Once you have 2-3 mines to boost production and granary so your population can keep pace with your production, REXing is FAR more efficient. Otherwise, it takes too long build spear+settler combos.

Unfortunately, as Spain, we don't start the game with pottery and cannot build granaries from turn one. We can, however, utilize bonus tiles turn one provided that we get them. Irrigating a bonus tile (and reaping the added food benefits from it) will take 4 turns provided we have a juicy river nearby. Then... emphasize mining at a secondary location.

OTOH, in an idealized scenario where we start in good location and begin researching pottery immediately and have science jacked up to about 90% (assuming all this), it will take a MINIMUM of about 20 turns to discover pottery and then 60shields/city's production = X# of turns to build a granary. It will probably take alot more than this, especially if our researching priorities are elsewhere.

Now if we had bonus tiles that could have been producing even 1 extra food all those turns and we didn't utilize it, we would have started the game by denying ourselves a faster turnover rate for city growth because 2 excess food bails = growth every 10 turns and 3 excess food bails = growth every 7 turns and 4 excess food bails = growth every 5 turns.

And, of course, this is all provided if...

	23-11-2002 23:08									#78
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quote: Originally posted by Togas I still have need for a slave master. Perhaps some loyal member of the tribe might volunteer to serve in such a post? --Togas

If no one else is available I just got my copy of the game today, but since this is my first DG I would prefer to wait a little more, just being outside the govern during the first turns.

Anyway if no one else is, I'm available.

	24-11-2002 03:30									#79
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Thanks for stepping up oliverfa

I have had PtW since the 8th but I fear that I would run the worker corps right into the ground

Thanks for all the input. So to boil it down, there are options:
(Note that these are in the order in which I thought of them to summarize, no, I'm not claiming ownership of any of these plans, not in the order I like them )
1)Mine & Granary on Food Terrain
2)Irrigate on Production Terrain
3)Road System
4)Disband Worker, declare that the Almighty Banana will do our work for us if we worship It properly

EDIT: Edited is in italics

Last edited by mrmitchell on 24-11-2002 at 03:42

	24-11-2002 04:16									#80
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ruby_maser,

We could always get lucky and end up near an expansionist civ willing to trade us the seemingly less valuable Pottery tech for our alphabet or ceremonial burrial

If not, Pottery is the cheapest tech in the game... we can research pretty quickly before dropping our research rate down to 10% and bee-lining for Monarchy.

	24-11-2002 13:49									#81
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Of course, we're talking about researching all this AFTER bronse working, right?

--Togas

	24-11-2002 21:44									#82
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I should hope so. Bronze Working is the first priority. We can't survive too long if everyone else has it and we do not. Not to research it first would be sheer folly.

	24-11-2002 21:49									#83
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It may prove vital to our survivance to research bronze working ASAP, because in a standard sized world civs tend to meet pretty soon, and it is much unlikely we will not have dangerous civs as GS and GoW at our borders (LI is also dangerous). Thinking of us unprepared for an early rush (and an early rush is a possibility) kinda gives me the chills!

	24-11-2002 21:57									#84
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Yeah...we'd resembled too much guacamole smeared across a table top...ick...

	25-11-2002 00:39									#85
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quote: Originally posted by Togas Of course, we're talking about researching all this AFTER bronse working, right?

my point exactly-- our research priorities would be elsewhere at first

just irrigate the d@#% bonus tiles if we get 'em

	25-11-2002 01:03									#86
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is there any way we can use the alliance with the Legoland to get bronzeworking and something else good?

	25-11-2002 01:35									#87
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[RP] What do we need this bronze for? Can’t we have our own Spanish technology and research squidworking instead? You know, we could squirt squid ink at our enemies, blinding them. Then we whack them with the de-inked squid, then we let the squid feed on their unconscious bodies... [/RP]

	25-11-2002 02:45									#88
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[RP]

This talk of squid is foolish. We need to speak of real things, like clubs, and demons!

[/RP]

	25-11-2002 03:32									#89
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I am not sure it is foolish. The squid seems really to be a multipurpose tool, except that it can also be eaten, which can not be done with all others multipurpose tools.

So, go for Spanish tech. I wonder how Legoland will react when we give them the squidworking in exchange of horse riding...

RP

	25-11-2002 05:07									#90
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quote: Originally posted by Ninot [RP] This talk of squid is foolish. We need to speak of real things, like clubs, and demons! [/RP]

[RP] What is more real than the squid? And you can use the squid as a club. And if one gets thrown at you in the middle of the night, it scares the breeches off you just as effectively as a demon would. I found that out when I was coming home from the Iberian Tavern last night. [/RP]