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Togas is offline Togas
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This thread will be for discussion about who our initial leaders will be. Currently, I have created the following jobs:

High Priest -- Advises on research, culture, etc. Looks out for the good of the nation, keeps us in favor of our deity (until we learn Poly and have to manage several deities). Excellent roleplay options.

Most Trusted Advisor (name may change) -- 2nd in command, most powerful person in the nation other than myself. His advise on any issue will be especially valued. He will take over management of the nation should I be occupied in a battle, away visiting the site of a new palace, or busy with one of my many wives. He will also advise me on matters of treason and recommend people to be killed. This position will be given to my most trusted and respected tribe member (ideally).

Cheif Warrior -- leader of our forces when I cannot personally lead them on the field of battle. I will also send him off to search the lands for new sites for cities for our nation. This job will go to our finest warrior family.

Governor -- EVERY city will be appointed a governor. The greatest city to the greatest noble.

Slave master -- will direct the movement of our workers and slaves.

Cheif Architect -- will oversee all construction in our nation and be able to overrule the governors about what projects to build. Will oversee the construction of Great Wonders and will build me the finest palace in the world

Feel free to PM me with your wishs or express your wishes publicly here for the whole tribe to discuss.

--Togas

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From Hastragal Gisgar

To Supreme Leader


Your Supremity,

I ask your permission to describe for your Supreme attention an urgent concern regarding the personal security of your Supremity and the political regime she intends by sheer benevolence to grant the benefit to all members of the tribe.

All members of the tribe : that is the point. A short survey of the members list show clearly that most of them must be classified as suspect, very suspect or extremely suspect of not loving your Supremity blindly enough.

A few examples :
- adaMada : Suspect. His PM box is known to be full most of the time which indicates that he has connections with many people certainly conspiring against your Supremity.
- Arnelos : Extremely suspect : His immense ambition is now commonly quoted to illustrate the infinite.
- astrologix : Suspect : He rarely expresses himself not to reveal evil things.
- DAVOUT : Absolutely faithful and reliable.
- dejon : Suspect : Recently arrived in the tribe, probably financed by The Gathering Storm or Legoland.
- F.PRO : Suspect : Recently arrived in the tribe, probably financed by Lux Invicta or Glory of War.
- General Tacticus : Very suspect. His name indicates that he has Roman ancestors, including possibly the evil Caton.
- Godking : Very suspect and dangerous. He contends knowing a lot of the future of your Supremity. This will be a permanent threat on your undertakings.
- History Guy : Extremely suspect. His name alone is an insult to your Supreme knowledge.
- jdjdjd : Extremely suspect and dangerous. He spends most of his time making people laugh in saying funny things, and the rest in trying (and often succeeding) to confuse people with tortuous arguments.

In order to keep this critical situation under control, I suggest that an agency for interior intelligence be created under cover of the fans club of your Supremity.
Although I am poorly prepared to the difficulties of the job, I would execute without hesitation nor remorse your orders and your enemies.

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Master Togas,

I must note that we do not have a Messenger Service. A fine example of a civilization made great by such a Service is the Incan civilization. It was the largest single empire in North America before the Spaniards came, and (I think) with these dedicated persons news spread at about...oh, it was really fast. A few days at most from one end of the empire to the other.

So I propose that a Messenger Service be created, to deliver messages in an organized and regular format to the peoples of the tribe. This institution's goal would be to transport communications quickly from one part of the empire to another. (Read as: bare-bones newspaper.) I wish, however, not to jump in on such a matter, at least not immediately. If someone more skilled comes along, I suggest giving the position to them.

Your humble servant,

Carthalo Mitchell

EDIT: Master, I am truly sorry for the misinformation I have given you. Tacticus has pointed out to me that Incas were in SOUTH America.

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Well, if this list is complete, I'm trustworthy

But I will reserve my judgement on that until I find out whether my name was accidentally omitted from the list of suspects. Do I dare trust myself?

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Well, if this list is complete, I'm trustworthy

But I will reserve my judgement on that until I find out whether my name was accidentally omitted from the list of suspects. Do I dare trust myself?


I'm in the same boat apparently.

Does this make me a trusted hand of the great Togas?

I am honored.

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Wow. Very suspect and dangerous.

So Ruby-Maser & Ninot.... about that flint deposit you were telling me about, you know, with all those good spear heads.....

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On the matter of messangers...

For now, we as a tribe are all together as our families have been since the time before time. But should there come a time when our numbers grow to such a degree that we may found new settlements, I envision a system whereby each of the noble families shall employ Personal Messangers. We will call them PMs for short.

Our PMs shall deliver messages from family to family.

We shall all take time from our busy days, from our herds and farms and hunts, to gather in the forum and discuss the matters of the nation. It is in the forum where pronouncements and plans are made.

As for Davout ... he is devoted indeed. I do not share his suspicions but I admire his fierce loyalty. I have grown up beside all of you as a child. We have all played together in our youth, raced along the river's edge and thrown stones into the sea. We share the same dream for our people and I believe that we shall see it through.

I seek to unify the tribe into one voice and one purpose. We will make our people wealthy, happy, and secure. We will defeat the barbarians and best any rival tribe. We will create wonders the world has never seen.

--Togas

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*Hastragal Gisgar, in petto, said : sure everebody loves everybody, we are all brothers .... Lets me take a note on mrmitchell, Ninot, Oliverfa and Ruby_maser so that I do not forget to inquire some details ...*

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*Hastragal Gisgar, in petto, said : sure everebody loves everybody, we are all brothers .... Lets me take a note on mrmitchell, Ninot, Oliverfa and Ruby_maser so that I do not forget to inquire some details ...*


Felow tribe members:

I'm aware that my family was almost unknown until recently when I was lucky enough to join you at the elite group. This can worry some people enough to want to know who I am and where my loyalties are. I can tell you with no doubts that all our entire family is loyal to the tribe and its great leader Togas, and will be honoured to help the tribe improve and go forward.

As for the other members of the elite families. Well... The world is big and dangerous, and we have no idea of what dangers are waiting outside to attack our tribe. We should stand unite if we don't want them to get over us while we are intriguing about each other. For the great glory of our leader, our tribe, and our families!

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Davout, be careful young man. You are not of a great warlike clan as most of us. Insults such as that gain enemies. I have learned from experience that in this position, enemies are not good. You, my friend, seem to have decided to make quite a lot of them.

Senator Hamilcar History-Guy

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To His Beneficience, Supreme Despot Togas,
A Letter from Senator Hamilcar History-Guy, hand-delivered by Gastronome Neecap

Your Magnamity,

I have, with some apprehension, watched the political maneuverings of this young Hastragal Gisgar, and I must admit to have been shocked by the tremendous lenghts he went to deny everyone else's loyalty, and to place himself as the most logical cantidate for your Most Trusted Advisor. I must assure you that my loyalty is without question, why even our tribes bare the same...avatar, shall we say? Gisgar is a man who is obviously looking out for the highest positions in the land, hoping to win you over (not that he, or anyone else could win over such as a wise and beneficient ruler as yourself, good Togas) and to claim for himself the leadership of Carthage. I think that he should be thus watched carefully, and I have set one of my slaves, Pessimisticus Doltamus, to monitor his movements within the Imperial Capital, to be sure that he is not involved in any plots against the highest powers! We must watch out, for such blatant attempts to gain favor may lead to situations that could prove...dangerous.

Instead, you must judge fairly to find a most loyal and wise man for Most Trusted Advisor.

On another note, my company has produced the latest in glassware, and apparently, my dye company has produced some wonderful things, which I should like to present to you as tribute. Perhaps you could come over to my villa for a quick Squid Sandwich, and the like. I suggest it, in fact. We of the History-Guy Clan are most assuredly your best and most loyal subjects...

Signed,
In all seriousness,
Mostly,
Senator Hamilcar History-Guy

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GK here.

Me find new cave. Me think if big leader To-gas like new cave, we move. From new cave, we have lots of good things to make tools with. Crops grow there me think. Me have new idea, first we sleep in cave, but then use tools to make cave outside of cave. Good idea think I. If big boss man To-gas agrees of course.

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I come to the Palace in seak of peaceful banter amoung friends. Instead, what do I come to find? With shock and horror, I find myself accused of treason and worse! Charge what you may, I have had nothing but loyalty to Lord Togas throughout the ages, which I would hope he would acknowledge. Even now, I follow him here out of loyalty. How, then, become I accused? It is true that my Personal Messenger did indeed fall ill for a period (and is better now). Though this is unacceptable, I was leniant considering he fell ill under the horrific stress of constantly carrying messages to any I might hold sway over in support of our lord. Even so, I find myself accused.

What further horrors can we condone? I, for one, will not stand to see myself and other noble tribesmen slandered without speaking against such actions.

-- adaMada

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Oct 2002
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- F.PRO : Suspect : Recently arrived in the tribe, probably financed by Lux Invicta or Glory of War.


The allegations of my ties with rivaling tribes are lies, LIES I tell you! 'Tis true that I have a somewhat different appearence than the common Carthaginian (and may I add, a very handsome appearance!), and that this appearance greatly resembles that of our enemy tribes, but this is because my great-great grandfather was a Glory of War tribesman. I, however, feel nothing else but Carthaginian blood run through my veins.
I have been away on many voyages making trades (like a true Carthaginian) which make the wealth of our great tribe grow. I have yet to see such contribution to the state from YOU!

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Honorable Ruler,

My heart and sole yearns to serve you. Sadly, I am rendered deathly ill*, and the womenfolk tell me that I am unable to leave the village without grave risk to myself. Though it pains me to say it, I cannot serve you in any of your current positions, as they would require a great deal of travel to forfil the obligations they imply. Having said that, I would be pleased and honored were I able to serve you from the safety of our village, be it through advice, organizing the other villagers and camp, or messages to any other tribes we may encounter.

Please, accept my club and loyalty. I have no doubt in your leadership, and may it last forever.

Forever your servent,
adaMada

* Translation: Don't own PTW yet

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This kind of thread is the ultimate proof I was waiting for : DAVOUT is an infiltrated agent sent by an AI civ (the French, look at this flag next to his name!) to sow discord among our team!

now I'd better change this immortal avatar from my profile

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quote:
I must note that we do not have a Messenger Service. A fine example of a civilization made great by such a Service is the Incan civilization. It was the largest single empire in North America before the Spaniards came, and (I think) with these dedicated persons news spread at about...oh, it was really fast. A few days at most from one end of the empire to the other.


OOC: It was South America, actually.

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Now, I must agree with those others who have condemned DAVOUT's attempts at sowing discord and mistrust within the tribe. Such accusations, based on the flimsiest of evidence, cannot be in any way taken to be for the benefit of the tribe or it's leader. I believe we must consider the possibility that he is, in fact, an agent sent by another tribe to divide us, thus leaving us vulnerable to attack.

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My people.

The Cheif Warrior/Expidition Leader and Cheif Architect positions need not be filled for many years, but I will need to find a suitable member of the tribe to serve as our first Governor, and I would also like to have a Slave Master and High Priest appointed.

I will handle the selection of my Most Trusted Advisor taking into account what has been posted publicly and what has been told to me by your Personal Messangers.

Please recommend to me members of the tribe who can serve in these much needed positions.

--Togas

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I'd like to be the High Priest.

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OOC: It was South America, actually.


Dude, I thought I read that thing before I posted it.
I know it's South America, just being unobservant here.

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Senator Hamilcar History-Guy


Sideshow Ninot has a question:

Why does Hamilcar History guy get the label of Senator? What is a Senator?

in all my days of pre-civilization (ya know, cuz we arent exactly a civ yet...).. i have never heard of this term, "Senator"

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I think a Senator is something like a rock. I think. They are the rock clan.

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I think a Senator is something like a rock. I think. They are the rock clan.


a Rock clan?

my clan is beyond rocks! we use mud.

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Hmmm...maybe I could be high priest...or based on the description of me listed above, I could be the Court Jester, or the Legal Advisor to the Despot.

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I wanna be Governor of the Capitol

... or of a very well sited city

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I think a Senator is something like a rock. I think. They are the rock clan.


You jdjdjd be wrong. Senator is like dead rock. Dead rock throw mud. Other Senators at.



Really, how can he be a senator? We haven't even founded Carthage! (Oops, I'm not supposed to know that )

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Most Esteemed Leader,

I feel no need to respond to the allegations made against many, including myself... they simply do not dignify a response. I'm sure you already understand this and I apologize that I have belabored the point... it is for others' consumption rather than your own.

As for the matter of my prospective service to your leadership, I am willing to do so. Unlike many who fill the air with the sound of drivelling flattery, it is my belief that you suffer enough of this already that you likely need no more from me. We both know all too well from long experience together (as you mentioned regarding all who are here) that you already possess the wisdom to see beyond the flattery and discern the true malignance in many of their hearts, so there is no need for me to belabor this point any further in public.

It is my belief, most esteemed, that the true mark of one's penchant for loyalty in the situations where it will truly matter manifests itself not in the vociferousness of one's flattery, but in the inter-twining of one's own enlightened self-interest with your own interests. The key then, is to ensure that the self-interests of those who possess the most ability to pursue them are closely tied to your own interest (and thus that of the tribe).

You can trust me primarily because I have stated a willingness to subject myself to a position that I have clearly and honestly stated would mean my self-interest would be directly tied to your own. This gives your greatness the confidence to know far more than you could with one of these flatterers that I am indeed bound to your side - not out of a temprorary motivator such as your current popularity, but out of a far more powerful motivator - my own self-interest.

Additionally, I take the honor of myself and my family very seriously, as you also are already quite aware. I understand that, should I be sworn to serve you, I would be honor-bound by the rules of my house to follow through with that commitment, where-ever it may lead. Should I ever, of my own free will, abandon you or commit treason against you, I have reason to know that my honor and the honor of my family will be adversely affected.

As such, I do not offer myself for such a role lightly. I am fully aware of the ramifications such a role could have upon me, especially given my ambition - something I willingly admit that I possess. The decision is clear, I must either side with you and thus be bound to remain with you even should you fall, or I must not be with you and retain my freedom of action. I fully understand this as the price.

The reason I consider this price to be worthwhile is that I have faith in you. I believe, whether correctly or incorrectly, that you will be successful and that you will prosper. Many of those who offer you flattery do not have faith you - they believe that you will fail, some even may specifically believe that they will be the cause of your failure. If I believed that you would not be successful and that you would falter, I may be the type of man who would decline to serve you - I will admit. However, because you are the type I believe is truly strong in leadership and command, the type that will indeed succeed and prosper, I consider the price of giving up a great deal of my freedom of action to be worth it - for if you do succeed (and if I am successful in helping you to do so), the only logical way to prosper will be to prosper with you.

So, while I do not take this decision lightly, this is precisely why you have reason to actualy believe that I am sincere in my decision - to have faith in me. I trust that, in your wisdom, you will indeed see the merit of my argument over those of the flatterers.

Hamilcar Arnelos
(or Lorenzo Clemente if we're Spanish)

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What !

I'm spending hours and hours to make the flags for our glorious tribe,
sacrificing all my domestic animals to obtain the needed red colour of their bloods,
and I'm treated as a 'suspect' man !
This is an intolerable accusation ! Me and my family are offensed !

Great Leader,

I would like you to hear about my foreign origins. From my mother I've inherited the artistic skills that you've seen.
And she taught me the secrets of interpreting fate and the forces coming from the stars and the planets, our gods.
From my father, a courageous war lord, I've learned many secrets of the strategy and
tactics concerning the arts of the war. My great capacities are all in your service.

When I did meet you for the first time, I was impressed by your greatness.
I assure you I'll be the most faithful of your servitors.

Astronicus

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, I hear the "He's a Senator...whaaaa!" stuff...but who cares?

 
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