21-11-2002 06:39									#151
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara That's not very libertarian of you. If I steal something from your father, and hold on to it 'till he dies, I don't have a legitmate claim to it, you do, at least in capitalist property relations.

If you really feel that way then I guess you can give your house to the next native American you see...

	21-11-2002 07:18									#152
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quote: If you really feel that way then I guess you can give your house to the next native American you see...

For some odd reason, I don't think che is a capitalist.

quote: I do feel however, that anyone born in refugee camps should have no "re-claim" of their forefather's land.

Right of return has to do with free immigration to Israel for the Palestinians who fled the country, not land re-distribution.

	21-11-2002 07:54									#153
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quote: Right of return has to do with free immigration to Israel for the Palestinians who fled the country, not land re-distribution.

I am aware of this, but there are many palestinians who believe Israel should be destroyed because it stole their father's land. And I think these people are not justified in their struggle.

I do believe in the RoR, though.

	21-11-2002 08:02									#154
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quote: Originally posted by Guardian Not for the nazis, but I would fight to defend my home and my people, yes. You wouldn't see me rounding up jews or anything like that, but shooting at the allied bombers when they came to destroy whole cities and everyone in them? Yes, definitely. No question about it.

Self-defense is one thing--would you join the military wilfully to be a part of occupations you found morally objectionable?

	21-11-2002 10:24									#155
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Explosion in a bus in Jerusalem. Tens of casualties.

	21-11-2002 10:35									#156
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There a concept in the law called "adverse possession." It means the law recognizes good title acquired by force. Depending of the jurisdiction, the amount of time one has to hold the land is between 5 and 20 years. If the owner has not evicted the adverse possessor by that time, the one in possession acquires good title even against the rightful owner.

There are exceptions, of course. But the whole concept valid. It should be applied to international law as well.

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Eli, I see nothing in the news about any explosion in Jerusalem. Ned

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quote: Originally posted by NeOmega Do you know the first thing a D. I. says to his recruits?

"On behalf of the commanding general, Welcome to the Island. From now on the first and last words out of your mouth will be Sir. Do you understand?"

	21-11-2002 11:23									#159
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????

ok so it's something like "get your toes on the line, now, move... blah blah blah"

Point being, he/she always explains to the recruit that they are now Property of the U.S. Government.

Ned made a statement akin to "and they certainly are no-ones property."

	21-11-2002 12:18									#160
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov Self-defense is one thing--would you join the military wilfully to be a part of occupations you found morally objectionable?

Probably not.

	21-11-2002 13:28									#161
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quote: Originally posted by Ned Eli, I see nothing in the news about any explosion in Jerusalem. Ned

Better check again...

It supposedly happened just a few minutes before Eli posted it. Was on the morning news up here. At first they said at least 3 people were killed, now they're saying minimum 11 killed and 40 wounded.

	21-11-2002 15:53									#162
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hi ,

"occupation" , occupation of what , .....

its not an occupation , its a liberation !


in 1967 many people greeted us as liberators , and many still believe that today

but then again , outside involment that wants to listen to some extremists who are not even born there , but come from as far as the Eufraat , .......

have a nice day

	21-11-2002 18:38									#163
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panag, if what you say is true, conduct a plebicite. Ask everyong, Israeli and Palestinian. whether the Arabs of the West Bank and Gaza should become Israeli citizens, become citizens of a independent Palestinian state, or return to Jordan and/or Egypt as the case may be.

	22-11-2002 00:19									#164
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quote: Originally posted by Ned panag, if what you say is true, conduct a plebicite. Ask everyong, Israeli and Palestinian. whether the Arabs of the West Bank and Gaza should become Israeli citizens, become citizens of a independent Palestinian state, or return to Jordan and/or Egypt as the case may be.

hi ,

return to jordan or egypt , never , they occupied those places and did nothing there , they should stay in there countries , place enough there , ....

as for the rest , well everytime some-one wants to pass a poll yasser and his bunch dont want , ....

have a nice day