01-03-2003 19:10									#151
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quote: Originally posted by Azazel Gawd, you're tough: a) They spoke greek, right? the fact they called it 'Roman' wouldn't matter, just as calling a new ICBM with multiple warheards "Happy Butterfly" won't change the fact that it is a WMD. .

For realism Daisy Cutters is a good comparison.

	03-03-2003 15:33									#153
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quote: Originally posted by Serb I can't believe Heresson is still spaming here. Somebody, please shoot him.

Hi! I started missing You.
Hm... Recently I watched a film about Russian jails...
150 people in one, 100 sq m cell... Nice, nice...
All for drugs.
Is that true that there are 1,5mln prisoners, which would make a percent of Russian population?

	03-03-2003 20:20									#154
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Conclusions at this level of the thread:

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Could a new civ born from another when if changes or is just the same civ?

No, it isn't, the people and their culture is what made civ, change this and you have something different (for example, black jews aren't hebrews, but now they are israelis )

So, in this case, YES, a case could be made for a Ukranian (Rhutenians -> Ukranians)

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What creates a civ?

The sense of an individual nationalism that is quite similar between the people of a same area, creating a nation. Things like languages, flags, rules and similar just create more links in these senses.

So, in this case, YES, a case could be made for a Ukranian (when ukranians feel different from russians)

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How much power or influence need a country for be in a civ game?

Well, 16/24 civs of thousands that existed in the last 6000 years... Russia had and have a big influence in the world, but ukrania...

So, in this case, NO, a case couldn't be made for a Ukranian.

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Looking this, 2 YES and 1 NO, but the second YES is half so 1,50 and 1,50

We need more opinions!!

	08-03-2003 07:12									#155
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quote: Originally posted by Azazel shhh. I am spamming here , too. êàê äåëà, ñåðãåé?

Da kak tebe skazat... 8 marta- vse pyut, a ya odin kak durak sizhu na rabote.

	08-03-2003 07:19									#156
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quote: Originally posted by Heresson Hi! I started missing You.

Unfortunately I can't say the same.

quote: Hm... Recently I watched a film about Russian jails... 150 people in one, 100 sq m cell... Nice, nice...

Now find a film about Ukranian jails and you will find another evidence that we are the same civ- we treat our criminals alike. (They treat them a bit worse, we are a bit more humane than Ukranians).

quote: Is that true that there are 1,5mln prisoners, which would make a percent of Russian population?

I don't know, but if it's true- do you think that 1% it's a huge number? Do you have the same statistics about for example USA, or Poland?

	08-03-2003 07:23									#157
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quote: Originally posted by XarXo We need more opinions!!

Remove Russia, instead of Russia place Rus- united state of Russians, Ukranians and Beylorussians.

It's the only fair solution.

	09-03-2003 22:12									#158
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1% isn't much... Who knows. It depends.
Russian population is shrinking by 700 000 people each year, some million last year. At the end, perhaps only the prisoners shall be left

	11-03-2003 13:47									#159
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Heresson: AFAIK, the situation isn't much better at yours.

	11-03-2003 17:33									#160
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How dare you?
Poland is true paradise, everything is perfect there.

	11-03-2003 18:58									#161
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quote: Poland is true paradise, everything is perfect there.

In comparison with Russia, it's kind of true...

quote: Originally posted by Azazel Heresson: AFAIK, the situation isn't much better at yours.

Oh yes it is. There's violence and crowd as everywhere,
but what I've seen there was just, well, sort of...

	12-03-2003 00:36									#162
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Ok, so we should ask Firaxis to include the R civ , what think the people that are R-nians about this idea?

	12-03-2003 19:14									#163
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quote: Oh yes it is. There's violence and crowd as everywhere, but what I've seen there was just, well, sort of...

I am talking about your natural annual "growth" of population. silly.

	13-03-2003 15:26									#164
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No. Only recently it's fallen to 0.

	13-03-2003 19:02									#165
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"recently" = 13 last years ?

	14-03-2003 14:30									#167
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quote: Originally posted by Serb Da kak tebe skazat... 8 marta- vse pyut, a ya odin kak durak sizhu na rabote.

Kak eto otlichaetsja ot 364 drugih dnej v godu?

Heresson: Nice new avatar, did you finally eat your dog?

	14-03-2003 17:18									#168
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quote: Originally posted by Sir Ralph Kak eto otlichaetsja ot 364 drugih dnej v godu?

Oh come on, it's you Germans who invented this holiday.
Never heard about Klara Zetken (Sp?) and the "International women's day"?

It's a shame that only Russians celabrating such great international holidays as international women's day, Orthodox Christmas, Catholic Christmas, Muslim New Year, French independance day, etc. You know, we are just bunch of alcoholics who's in constant search for new reasons to get drunk.

	14-03-2003 17:43									#169
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quote: Originally posted by XarXo "recently" = 13 last years ?

You're mistaken. It's fallen to 0 only some 3 years ago

	17-03-2003 01:44									#170
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You sure you didn't mean "risen"?

	17-03-2003 15:15									#171
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Suprisingly, I do ten to know about Poland a bit more than You.

	17-03-2003 18:45									#172
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quote: Originally posted by Heresson Suprisingly, I do ten to know about Poland a bit more than You.

As well as about everything else, including Russia.

I still laugh when I remember your "backward Russian nationalists" comment.

	17-03-2003 20:07									#173
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quote: Originally posted by Serb As well as about everything else, including Russia. I still laugh when I remember your "backward Russian nationalists" comment.

I know that You'll point it out. I know something about Russia that You don't know, as true information in Russia is a rather rare product it seems.

Backward Russian nationalists? I don't remember writing anything like that. Gimme a link.
But yes, though it's rather Luk's style, there's some truth in that

	18-03-2003 15:57									#174
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quote: Originally posted by Heresson I know that You'll point it out. I know something about Russia that You don't know, as true information in Russia is a rather rare product it seems.

quote: Backward Russian nationalists? I don't remember writing anything like that. Gimme a link.

I've lost it.


How could I bought this Luke's DL crap?
Shame on me.

	20-03-2003 21:18									#175
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Do You dare to claim that I'm a DL?

	01-04-2003 06:47									#176
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No, I think Luke is your DL.

	01-04-2003 18:02									#177
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Ukrania = civ, but not as historical important like Russia. Is enough? We can FINALLY END THIS THREAD?

	01-04-2003 20:50									#178
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NO. Never. And who told You that all of us agree Russia should be included?

Serb, the Iraqi flag suits You. hungreds of thousands victims of Saddam's rules salute your choice.

	03-04-2003 19:13									#179
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Aren't you antiwar yourself?

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	03-04-2003 22:10									#180
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Wow, this is a cool flamewar :-) I´m going to add a bit.

Czech rep is not catholic. Czech rep is ABSOLUTELY ATHEISTIC - people who believe in some kind of God, Allah, Jehova or whatever are just a minority here and religion has absolutely no influence on our life. Slovakia is catholic, on contrary. Czech people see Poland as a religiously fanatical nation, where church has influence on normal life of people which is something that we absolutely can´t understand. We have a big ukrainian minority here and most Czech people don´t like them, because most of them involve in black work and organized crime (or at least most of those who are seen by public).

But despite history (communism), Czechs do NOT hate the Russians. We like Russians. What we really hate is Americans. They are alien culture to us, Russia is not.