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Funny thing as the pendulum swings right I find myself leaning left. Poly brainwashing?
Of course from where I started it will take a hell of a lot of leaning to get near the center.
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Everyone loves a commie on unemployment found defending himself from charges of soaking up the welfare. Can't help it Che.
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Capt Dizle
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Hey Che, I heard Rush needed an editor for his rag. Why don't you call into his show next week?
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MichaeltheGreat
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Apolyton Grand Executioner
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mooning the house that Ruth built.
Oct 1999
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Originally posted by Japher
The reason so many ppl are on unemployment right now, and the reason they are demanding extensions, is because they (the unemployed) all feel (a generalization) that they are too good to take those jobs that we (those who would clean a toilet) have been forced to take in order to support our families, pay our bills, and hopefully have enough money to buy a Swanson's T.V. Dinner for the whole gang at Christmas.
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Actually, at least around San Diego, those kind of **** jobs usually have about 20-30 applicants for every available position. I know a lot of people who are taking those **** jobs paying less than a quarter their previous earnings, so sounds to me more like you've got some "I's po, but I shovel **** for a living so I'm better than you lazy rich bastards" hangup.
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The harsh reality of it is, there are jobs to be had, and they do not pay enough so that the new Mercades won't get repo'd. Oh well!! Sucks for you, that's my attitude. You lived above your means for way too long, and now you must pay.
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Ahhhh, jealous of our betters, are we? 
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You reap what you sew. I am sorry that all the pseudo-rich yuppies with ties in Washington didn't get what they want. Wha! Sell your damn house for what's worth, trade in your mercades for a Honda, and I guess the day at Spago's with have to be cancled.
I am sure this is a generalization, but I live in the heart of the Silicon Valley, and I see it. Heck, my negihbor is on unemployment, hasn't looked for a job in 6 months, just bought a Harley, and has the nerves to complain that he can't get unemployment until his Compensation Package runs out. What a schmuk.
It is ppl like this that really give the ppl who need a job, and need unemployment to help them, a bad name. |
Yep, it's a generalization. If I drew unemployment now, it would pay about 15% of my net income. If my office manager got laid off and went from her current pay to unemployment, she'd lose about $1950.00 a month off her net pay.
BTW, how can your neighbor be on unemployment, but not get unemployment?
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The underlining point is that unemployment insurance is just way too easy to exploit, and is therefore a bad system that should be eliminated all together. |
Which is an interesting perspective, considering you don't pay a dime for it, employers do. And most employer organizations (US Chamber of Commerce, etc.) have no objections to it.
A little resentment there about your chosen economic situtation?
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Japher
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Ook! Ook! Ack! Ack! Ack!
Jun 2002
time: 05:23
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The truth doesn't set you free, it makes you crazy! |
I like the sounds of that che.
MichaelTheGreat.
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A little resentment there about your chosen economic situtation? |
Always.
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Actually, at least around San Diego, those kind of **** jobs usually have about 20-30 applicants for every available position. I know a lot of people who are taking those **** jobs paying less than a quarter their previous earnings, so sounds to me more like you've got some "I's po, but I shovel **** for a living so I'm better than you lazy rich bastards" hangup. |
What? The other day E-bay, which is right down the street from me, had a job fair. The traffic was so bad it took me a half-hour longer to get to work.
The issue is not the general existence of unemployment, it is the need for extensions on it. So, good for those who would take those jobs. And, yes, I am better than those lazy rich bastards that are whinning about not getting their unemployment extended. Yet, I am not jealous of their wealth.
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If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you;
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too;
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or, being lied about, don't deal in lies,
Or, being hated, don't give way to hating,
And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise;
If you can dream - and not make dreams your master;
If you can think - and not make thoughts your aim;
If you can meet with triumph and disaster
And treat those two imposters just the same;
If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to broken,
And stoop and build 'em up with wornout tools;
If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings
And never breath a word about your loss;
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
Except the Will which says to them: "Hold on";
If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
Or walk with kings - nor lose the common touch;
If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you;
If all men count with you, but none too much;
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds' worth of distance run -
Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,
And - which is more - you'll be a Man my son!
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MichaeltheGreat
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Apolyton Grand Executioner
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mooning the house that Ruth built.
Oct 1999
time: 21:23
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Originally posted by Shi Huangdi
Uhhh, MtG, I think Fez was just attacking Floyd in his first post, something other people on this thread had done, and then replying to the comments other people made at him. I do think the people attacking Floyd should note that DF did offer Che some money a while back.... |
Fez also ran amok in DinoDoc's thread. He just thought this was threadjack day, instead of Friday. Unfortunately for Fez, he's acted up enough times to have made my special project list, so the chain I have him on is exceptionally short, and prone to be yanked back quickly.
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"Which is an interesting perspective, considering you don't pay a dime for it, employers do."
At least according to economic theory, costs businesses incur from taxes are often passed on to consumers and employees. |
Theory and fact, but we can get into a six degrees of separation type argument here about how you quantify indirect effects. In theory, the average caloric consumption of wheat in Burkina Faso affects me as a consumer, but the effect is trivial enough to ignore.
In the most generous case, a full time minimum wage employee costs around $13,000 a year, with payrol tax burdens but no other costs (bennies, costs associated with employment, or workers comp) A $320 annual bill (combined FUTA and SUI) added to that is semi-significant, but a $50,000 a year employee with a wages, benefit and burden cost of around $70,000 costs the same $320. That's just on the labor component of the business' costs. When you throw in all other direct and indirect costs, UI insurance becomes very trivial.
The net cost is less overall than the total amount taxed, because UI benefits get respent, typically in the sort of economic sectors (basic consumer products and services) that have a higher incremental cost of unemployment (lower paid workers, higher turnover, more labor intensive)
Winston - you're ok. Most of the rest of the forum is ok. (Or else I haven't gotten to know the newer miscreants.  ) Fez is a "special project." He's already got one strike on his "three strikes and you're out for good" pass. If he had gone into one of his classic insult, whine, rant and flamefests, that would have been strike two and a four week ban. This is just a "who's your daddy" reminder.
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23-11-2002 02:11
Guess I had that coming.
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