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chegitz guevara is offline chegitz guevara
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1 million people to lose unemployment benefits


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Nov. 21, 2002 | WASHINGTON -- Jo-Anne Hurlston can't find a job after nearly six months of searching, even with her master's degree and experience in education, human resources and the hospitality industry.

She's one of nearly 1 million unemployed workers across the country who will start losing jobless benefits three days after Christmas because Congress failed to grant an extension before leaving for the year.

"All the money that's being spent on homeland security and we're left stranded," said Hurlston, 47, a single mother with a 12-year-old daughter. "If they want more money for homeland security, we have to be able to work to pay taxes."

Congress passed a 13-week extension in federal benefits in March, on top of the maximum 26 weeks that laid-off workers typically can receive through states. But the extension benefits start expiring Dec. 28. Without congressional action, an estimated 820,000 people will lose benefits that day, with an additional 95,000 each week thereafter.

Democratic leaders made a last-ditch appeal Thursday to the White House, asking President Bush to urge House Republican leaders to pass the Senate's extension plan when they convene Friday. The White House has remained on the sidelines in the debate.

"We strongly urge you to take action to help these families," said the letter from outgoing Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle and House Minority Leader **** Gephardt.

The Senate and House passed separate legislation last week providing for another extension. But each side refused to accept the other's plan, and the Senate adjourned Wednesday for the year.

House leaders argue that the Senate should have passed their plan, which was approved first. They also say the economy is improving. The nation's unemployment rate climbed to 5.7 percent last month, while in previous recessions, the rate was much higher -- 10.8 percent in 1983 and 7.8 percent in 1992.

On Thursday, the Labor Department reported that new applications for unemployment insurance fell by a seasonally adjusted 25,000 to 376,000 for the work week ending Nov. 16, leaving claims at their lowest level since the week ending July 20.

Hurlston was laid off in June from her $42,000-a-year job at the Marriott Hospitality Public Charter School in Washington, where she was dean of career and student services. She had worked there for three years.

She receives about $550 every two weeks in unemployment benefits. Hurlston, who is living with her mother, is substitute teaching for extra money, but it hardly pays the bills. For that, she's forced to dip into her retirement savings. She's sent out hundreds of resumes and has been called in for just two interviews without success.

"In the beginning there was anger, then frustration and now distress," she said. "I never ever thought it would take this long to find a job. Without my mother I probably would be in a homeless shelter right now."

AFL-CIO President John Sweeney criticized House Republicans for "turning their backs on unemployed workers" while approving perks for drug companies and insurance companies in last-minute legislation before adjourning. That "is just plain mean-spirited and perverse," he said.

The Senate's $5 billion plan would have extended benefits an additional 13 weeks for people currently receiving them. The House passed a more modest $900 million plan of five extra weeks for workers in a few states with high unemployment rates.

Some economists argue that the cost isn't a burden on the rest of government because the federal unemployment insurance trust fund contains more than $25 billion for such purposes. Such spending also will help boost the economy, they say.

"These are economic times that demand using such funds," said Wendell Primus, a director at the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, a liberal-leaning think tank.

Shirley Deane, 53, said that last December she lost her $25,000-a-year job as an administrative secretary at Howard University in Washington and still can't find work. She ran out of unemployment benefits in August, and has no health insurance and no retirement savings. The future looks bleak, she said.

"I've been taking tests, going on interviews," she said. "I've never had this hard a problem finding a job. Never."

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I am one of those million people.

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Jo-Anne Hurlston can't find a job after nearly six months of searching, even with her master's degree and experience in education, human resources and the hospitality industry.


Great journalism to start an article like this.

Go work for McDonalds for a while.

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I just saw that, Che. Yeah, grim.

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Can anyone see Bush responding, "Let them eat cake."?

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Oh man. Rubbing salt in the wounds.

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Suffering from ads?

I have six or seven weeks of benefits left. My mother's unemployed again as of yesterday, but at least she's not renting and won't go homeless (she's living with Grandma). My mother is a recruiter. If recruiters are being laid off, the economy is not getting better!

My dad is holding on by the skin of his teeth. If he misses a bank payment, he stands to lose everything, all four BKs and the house.

This is double plus ungood.

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Well, Che, it's your own fault for being a black single mother with 5 kids. You're probably addicted to drugs, too. The best thing the government can do is stop funding your self-destructive lifestyle and force you to get a real job with a living wage: $3 an hour cleaning carpets.

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Screw the veterans, screw the poor--terrific values our government is fostering these days.

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Chegitz:

I appreciate that this puts you on the edge financially. I agree that it is really insensitive for Congress to head off for a recess without acting on something that clearly affects the most vulnerable working families. However, past history has been that these things get worked out and benefits get extended. That's what the funds are for, right? I hope Congress gets its act together in time to leave little if any gaps in the benefits.

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Congress isn't returning until next year. I may lose a week or two, which would still leave me hurting. Plus, when they come back, they come back Republican controlled in both houses, which doesn't bode well.

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Uh, che:

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The Senate and House passed separate legislation last week providing for another extension. But each side refused to accept the other's plan, and the Senate adjourned Wednesday for the year.

House leaders argue that the Senate should have passed their plan, which was approved first.


It's a Congress spat. And since the Senate is controlled by who Dems it's more a product of Democrats dragging their feet than Republicans being bastards.

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I guess my question is why should the government extend unemployment benefits in the first place - or have them at all?

I don't see this as an evil act, because if they did it, they would simply be forcing the average taxpayer to pay even more out of his already incredibly taxed income, and THAT would be wrong.

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There you go again David.

I am one Republican that will be on the phone to my reps if this issue is not fixed.

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Yeah, Che, why are you blaming Republicans? Daschle could have passed an extension by simply approving the House bill; but he again decided to play political games. You could equally have condemned Dashle and the evil Democrats for failing to pass an extension.

Actually, having both the House and Senate under control of the same party bodes well for action instead of polictical games. Perhaps now we can actually do something about the economy instead of being hamstrung by Daschle.

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I am one Republican that will be on the phone to my reps if this issue is not fixed.


How about instead you just find one person who needs help, and send them money until they get back on their feet? All nice and voluntary.

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DF, you don't know what you are talking about. Unemployment is insurance, not a tax. Businesses pay this, not the average tax payer.

Imran, the House only passed a five week bill. Thirteen weeks is the norm, and Bush refused to keep Congress in session to deal with this.

We need to remember that one million people is between .5% and 1% of the workforce. We are talking a hit on the economy when they can no longer pay bills and buy groceries.

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Unemployment is insurance, not a tax. Businesses pay this, not the average tax payer.


Taxes on businesses usually end up hitting the consumer in the end, as well they should from the businesses perspective. That's why I'm not a fan of corporate taxes, either.

Any sort of unemployment from businesses should come from case-by-case severance packages negotiated between the individual and business (or rather, the business just telling the individual what, if anything, they are going to be getting).

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"Imran, the House only passed a five week bill. Thirteen weeks is the norm, and Bush refused to keep Congress in session to deal with this."

Bush can't keep Congress in session.

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the House only passed a five week bill. Thirteen weeks is the norm, and Bush refused to keep Congress in session to deal with this.


The norm? Just because it was done that way in the past ONCE, doesn't make it the norm

And again... you are badly attempting to blame Bush for what the Democrats could have done, but didn't. The Dems are the evil ones here, and you should be blaming them. The Democrat Controled Senate is the one that screwed you. They are the ones that put politics above the needs of the people. They are the ones playing games with unemployement insurance...

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get rid of unemployment all together. that's what I say.

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Government assistance should be limited to the truly needy, such as United Airlines, Eli Lilly, Halliburton, the Texas Rangers baseball team, etc.

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My guess is this is yet another political game between Dems and GOP.

Dems figure a) let the new republican congress/senate take the hit on screwing the unemployed. It will play well for the next elections and rally/motivate the voter turn out.

b) they resent the fact that they weren't supported en masse during latest elections and figure screw them.

Republicans are sticking to their normal agenda of smaller gov and less entitlements. Which normally speaking is a good thing but is best suited during times when the economy is in decent shape (i.e. not now).

End result is this is completely FUBAR as partisanship ends up screwing only the general public and serves only the interests of the parties.

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"Imran, the House only passed a five week bill. Thirteen weeks is the norm, and Bush refused to keep Congress in session to deal with this."

Bush can't keep Congress in session.


Are you sure. I seem to remember several years ago that Clinton was threatening to keep Congress in secssion until they dealt with some issue, but I can't remember what.

Ming, it's been done at least twice (maybe three times) before. It was done during the '91 recession and has been done since 2000 (wish I'd known about it last year).

And yes, I should have said Evil Congressional Bastards. Both groups are responsible for this, but the Republicans are being more stingy. Almost no one hires in December.

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A couple of comments. I kinda resent quips on the economy and unemployment from young people who have never had to work to keep a family afloat. Never had to get up at five in the morning for work after staying up until two thiry with a sick baby. Never had $15 bucks left after paying bills and had to figure out how to feed a family of four for two weeks until the next paycheck. Quips from young people who never had to take a pay cut and clean bathrooms during a recession.

Nor do I appreciate quips from the well to do who think that every person having financial problems are bums.

Dang, I sound like a Democrat or something.

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"Are you sure."

No.

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A couple of comments. I kinda resent quips on the economy and unemployment from young people who have never had to work to keep a family afloat. Never had to get up at five in the morning for work after staying up until two thiry with a sick baby. Never had $15 bucks left after paying bills and had to figure out how to feed a family of four for two weeks until the next paycheck. Quips from young people who never had to take a pay cut and clean bathrooms during a recession.


I'm sorry, all I got out of that was "Blah blah blah, I'm gonna be condescending because I can't actually argue a point, blah blah blah." If you're trying to say you deserve my money because you've worked **** jobs in the past or have a family, that argument ain't gonna wash with me.

Seriously, though, age is really irrelevant to this discussion. If you can refute my points, fine, do so - but attack the argument, not the person.

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I never said this, although many (even most) of them are not doing all they can to help themselves or get help from voluntary sources such as family, churches, and charity.

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Ming, it's been done at least twice (maybe three times) before.


The NORM is 26 weeks... ANY extension is not the norm

And again... The Dems are the ones that screwed you. It's the Senate that screwed you... So another one of your poor attempts to blame the Repubs for something that is totally the fault of the Dems blows up in your face

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I'm sorry, all I got out of that was "Blah blah blah, I'm gonna be condescending because I can't actually argue a point, blah blah blah." If you're trying to say you deserve my money because you've worked **** jobs in the past or have a family, that argument ain't gonna wash with me.

Seriously, though, age is really irrelevant to this discussion. If you can refute my points, fine, do so - but attack the argument, not the person.

I never said this, although many (even most) of them are not doing all they can to help themselves or get help from voluntary sources such as family, churches, and charity.


I am not going to enter into a debate with you in which theory excludes logic. You are really threadjacking here, trying to turn what was a discussion of real world issues by real people into another warped David Floyd whimsy.

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David's entitled to his opinion, but he does need to get his facts straight.

As a society, we have recognized sine the 1930s that the world runs smoother when Unemployment Insurance exists. Without it, crime, homelessness, family abandonment, death, etc all rise considerably. Lack of it also shows the system to be cruel and heartless, and makes it a lot easier for people like me to convince others that the system needs to be abolished. Unemployment insurance isn't just about saving the unemployed. It's about preserving the system.

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Can anyone see Bush responding, "Let them eat cake."?


That should be "Let them eat guns." There is no butter at the national table.

 
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