05-12-2002 22:25									#181
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I take it not a fan of Collins.

Personally I think him above average but neither great nor poor.

	05-12-2002 22:26									#182
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quote: Originally posted by Chris 62 Kid stuff. Dave Brown, Tommy Madox, Kent Grahm, Danny Kannel, Joe Pisarchek.... The Giants had only two good QBs, Simms and Tittle.

Didn't Fran Tarkenton play for them?

	05-12-2002 22:27									#183
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Tarkenton played for the vikings his entire careeir, IIRC

	05-12-2002 22:31									#184
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No, walrus is right, Tark played for the G-men a few years in the 70s, at the end of his career.

Those years wern't to hot.

	05-12-2002 22:31									#185
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Bzzzzzzz. Wrongola. Vikes, Giants, back to Vikes. I think.
I know he played for both, one twice.

	05-12-2002 23:23									#186
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quote: Originally posted by Ming Hmmm... from reading your list, it seems like Detroit has had similar QB problems as the Bears have

Where do you think we got Kramer? Bounced between 1st and 3rd string in Detroit.

But a starter in Chicago.

	06-12-2002 02:43									#187
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quote: The Giants had only two good QBs, Simms and Tittle.

That's two more than the Bears .

At least the Lions had Bobby Layne and now have Joey Harrington.

Of course none of your lists compare to the disaster that has been the NY Jets QB situation . From Namath to Pennington the best QBs have been Todd and Testaverde :shudder:.

	06-12-2002 02:51									#188
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Where was Bobby Layne from?

	06-12-2002 02:57									#189
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Imran, you DIDN'T love the immortal O'Brain?

	06-12-2002 02:58									#190
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LOL at the misery....

Dang it this thread is turning the equivalent of a group of old men sitting on the back porch saying

"My family was sooo poor.........."

	06-12-2002 03:01									#191
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We can't let them get the upper hand, Ogie!

Come on, join us! Tell us about the bad days between Jaworski and Cunningham... or the bad days with Cunningham .

	06-12-2002 03:02									#192
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We ain't "the equivilent", we are the embodiment!

	06-12-2002 03:09									#193
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What the heck can I say. I'm happier than a pig in sh1t right now.

When McNabb comes back its looking mighty bright for my Eagles. I'm thinkin that'll be a nice Christamas present for the boys in green.

I never like Fiedler(sp) for the Dolphins altho Lucas is a bum. But they have Ricky (who I have to admit I was one of the faithful pulling to get him in Philly instead of McNabb. LOL....) mmm.....so I got that goin for me.

And since I've moved to Atlanta my Third favorite team has the most exciting player in the league in Vick.

Whats not to be happy about.

To all you other losers out there. Suckers...... LOL
j/k

	06-12-2002 03:42									#194
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Yes, the Eagles and Falcs have all those SB victories to remem.....er, ..... ah, ...never mind.

	06-12-2002 03:46									#195
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Ogie and Imran running loose in Georgia. Scary thought.

	06-12-2002 04:14									#196
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chris 62 -- Love the new avatar and "location"!!

	06-12-2002 04:37									#197
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quote: Yes, the Eagles and Falcs have all those SB victories to remem.....er, ..... ah, ...never mind.

But you are too old to remember the Giants victories .

	06-12-2002 08:20									#198
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quote: Originally posted by Chris 62 Yes, the Eagles and Falcs have all those SB victories to remem.....er, ..... ah, ...never mind.

Why thank you Mr. Rain on My Parade.

..... Nope ..... Must Resist ...... Negativity.........

	06-12-2002 08:59									#199
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That wasn't just rain... that was a thunder shower

	06-12-2002 09:31									#200
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LOL....

Y'all are just jealous.

Dang it.

(Help me I've turned southern......)

	06-12-2002 12:26									#201
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Just ONCE... I would love to see a real QB lead the Bears out onto the Field. McMahon has been the best we can do in the modern era... sigh... Kramer wasn't the answer... and while I will give credit to Miller for at least getting people excited to play for him, he still is average at best... sigh...

	06-12-2002 12:45									#202
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I kind of liked Miller. I think he could have done more with a better play book, better coaches, and maybe a decent tight end. Oh and a consistant running game.

	06-12-2002 12:52									#203
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With last years offensive line... and a running game, he proved to be above average. He didn't get sacked to often, and he could move the ball... However, he wasn't really a deep threat... and the Bears need that to make the offense click. I like his guts, and the fact that the team plays their heart out for him... but he just isn't that good. sigh...

	06-12-2002 13:11									#204
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but I felt he was a deep threat. His arm may have not been the greatest. But I remember a few long pass plays to their rookie Wide Reciever (last year) whos name I cannot remember right now.

I remember that because I had Chicago's rookie wide reciever on my fantasy team. I think I had Jim Miller too.

It's the offensive coordinators fault for not calling more long passing plays or creating them.

	06-12-2002 13:13									#205
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He really can't throw too deep. And with his bad shoulder this year, nothing farther than 20 yards is really feasible. And the other team KNOWS it. sigh...

Maybe next year our injured players will come back and we will be competitive agian... but it is just embarassing to watch this year... in every game for awhile... then toast

	06-12-2002 13:15									#206
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well this year I'm suprised he can still play. What he did against Detroit was amazing though considering his injuries.

Maybe Chicago should think about drafting a QB for once . Keep Chandler to show the rookie the ropes.

	06-12-2002 13:23									#207
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Getting rid of Chandler is key... he's in retirement mode at best... screw him. We need to pick up a Free agent QB, and some young stud to sit on the bench and learn for the future. Miller would be a perfect BACK UP...

But Chicago has NEVER been known for Quality QB's... sigh...

	06-12-2002 13:29									#208
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There are no good free agents if you ask me. There is a QB shortage right now. And its bound to get worse.

Perhaps they can pickup someone like Marc Bulger or Kurt Warner (just a hunch ), but I can't see either one doing well in Chicago.

Their best bet is a rookie. But the problem is they also need a running back for the future. I don't think they have that yet. A-train isn't it imho. They need someone like Ladanian Tomlinson. That guy is amazing.

Until then expect chicago to suck

	06-12-2002 13:35									#209
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident Perhaps they can pickup someone like Marc Bulger or Kurt Warner (just a hunch ), but I can't see either one doing well in Chicago.

I disagree... with a healthy offensive line, either would do VERY well in Chicago. I would take EITHER in a second. Since Bulger is the free agent... We can offer him a starting role... something that may not be available in St. Louis. It would be nice for a change.

	06-12-2002 13:39									#210
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well they would have to do better than what they have already. And a beefed up Offensive line would help a lot. Maybe they could get a consistant running game. But it would still be nice to have someone like Tomlinson. I was so impressed with what he did against Denver. But they can't really afford both a RB and a QB. So an investment into a good offensive line is more feasible.