25-02-2003 06:24									#271
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2750 BC to Arabs

This game is like watching paint dry. Perhaps it is the fustration of everything being so slow, tech progression, building units, city growth. Maybe if the accelerated production option had be used, the game would be more enjoyable. But as it now this is more like a chore I have to do than a game.

	25-02-2003 07:00									#272
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I think the game is fine as long as it keeps moving. I know I'd personally RATHER find someone else has played my turn than have the thing continue to go dead in the water. I don't think its any one person's fault, but something needs to be done.

	25-02-2003 11:01									#273
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quote: Originally posted by Swissy 2750 BC to Arabs This game is like watching paint dry. Perhaps it is the fustration of everything being so slow, tech progression, building units, city growth. Maybe if the accelerated production option had be used, the game would be more enjoyable. But as it now this is more like a chore I have to do than a game.

The slow progression in the beginning is the killer I do admit. Once we get a few cities and tech trading it should become more enjoyable. That is why the option to play MP and then go PBEM would be perfect. We could meet for an hour one night and burn through the turns in the first 2000 years.

Right now it is like... Hmm.. my worker still hasn't finished the road, time to pass the turn. That is pretty typical for civ. Except when you are playing by yourself you can quickly get through the ancient age.

Enduring the slowness in the beginning will pay off when we get farther along. At least that is what I keep telling myself.

	25-02-2003 11:05									#274
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My last post got me thinking. If we could arrange a time to meet we could burn through some turns. I realize this might be a logistical nightmare but might be worth considering. If we could set up an hour one night we could pass a few turns and have a chat as well.

I am thinking it could be done pretty easily in IRC with DCC sends for the turns. Let me know what you think.

	25-02-2003 13:18									#275
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We have a 10 hour time zone differential from our Finnish player to our west coast North American player. That means evening for the majority of the players is early morning for our UK and Finnish player. Their evenings are our late mornings to mid-afternoon. What SirOsis suggests would be fine for a game limited to North American players, probably get a turn every 5 minutes easy.

The problem comes from the combination of map size and the inability to attain one turn per day (remember SirOsis was thinking getting in 2 turns a day would make up for the map size). Also, I find tech trading to be non-exisitent. I have met two civs who have tech I could use, but I have none for them and they don't seem interested in gold. At least in a SP game I could buy tech from the AI.

SirOsis warned this would take some time. But with the tech research rates and turn speed as it is; I will not have completed my first tech research by the time this game hits the 6 month mark (April 12th, that is just 6 weeks away and I still have 14 turns until my first tech completes). I fully expected to be finished with the first teir of tech and working on a second tier one like writing. As it is now I may complete the first tier by this time NEXT YEAR.

	25-02-2003 14:59									#276
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turn to Sirosis/Babylon

	25-02-2003 15:11									#277
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quote: Originally posted by Swissy We have a 10 hour time zone differential from our Finnish player to our west coast North American player. That means evening for the majority of the players is early morning for our UK and Finnish player. Their evenings are our late mornings to mid-afternoon. What SirOsis suggests would be fine for a game limited to North American players, probably get a turn every 5 minutes easy.

I have (usually) no problems with the time difference, just let me know when. Middle of the night here is no problem if arranged before.

quote: Originally posted by Swissy The problem comes from the combination of map size and the inability to attain one turn per day (remember SirOsis was thinking getting in 2 turns a day would make up for the map size). Also, I find tech trading to be non-exisitent. I have met two civs who have tech I could use, but I have none for them and they don't seem interested in gold. At least in a SP game I could buy tech from the AI.

If you offer enough gold, i'll give you techs, whats the point of donating techs to others. As i am expansionistic, i popped your starting techs from huts before meeting you.

quote: Originally posted by Swissy SirOsis warned this would take some time. But with the tech research rates and turn speed as it is; I will not have completed my first tech research by the time this game hits the 6 month mark (April 12th, that is just 6 weeks away and I still have 14 turns until my first tech completes). I fully expected to be finished with the first teir of tech and working on a second tier one like writing. As it is now I may complete the first tier by this time NEXT YEAR.

True, the mapsize is too big, researching is a nightmare. But it will go faster once one has enough cities working on high economy tiles. Not in the near future though.

	25-02-2003 18:02									#278
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What is enough gold? What am I a mind reader? The diplomacy system is just a plain piece of crap that takes centuries to even get a simple deal done, let alone do back and forth negotiating. You offer a tech, I offer gold, I never hear back from you. At least in the SP game I can get some sort of hint of what the AI wants for the tech. Here I don't even get the courtesy of a counter offer.

An as for when I get enough cities to get tech going. I t has taken 4.5 months to get this far. How I am to believe we will be going any faster.

	25-02-2003 21:40									#279
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The diplomacy does suck in game. The best thing to do is negotiate through email to decide on what you want to trade and then do it in 1 turn.

The game will pick up. In the meantime let's try to come up with a time that will work for all of us to meet and go through some turns. A weekend would probably be the best.

	25-02-2003 21:47									#280
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Sent to Clegg the Greek.

2710 BC

Time flies doesn't it?

	25-02-2003 22:28									#281
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I would be availabe at 6AM EST or 8PM EST for a chat turn burn, but only on a few occasions, ie. to make up for lost time.

	25-02-2003 23:07									#282
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2710 BC to Egyptians.

I'm also available for a cram session at the times in WarriorPoet's post.

	26-02-2003 19:02									#283
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I'm available to, provided I know ahead of time (of course) and its not more than once a week (preferably on a weeknight, I try to have a life on the weekend)

oh yeah, sent.

	26-02-2003 19:23									#284
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I'm on the job at that time but could fit several turns in since we are still early in this game

	27-02-2003 18:56									#285
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I saw my next turn in my email this morning, I'll play it when I get back from work.

	28-02-2003 02:10									#286
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ok. I have edited the first post to include the following information:


1. SirOsis - Babylonians sirosis@hotmail.com
2. Clegg - Greeks jbirdsall at comcast dot net
3. jshelr - Egyptians jshelr at aol dot com
4. Ananias - Scandanavians ananias101 at msn dot com
5. WarriorPoet - Celts kchivers at optonline dot net
6. Tom Red - Persians dermot dot kehoe at blueyonder dot co dot uk
7. Swissy - Ottomans markbalt at ameritech dot net
8. Conqueror - Arabs conqueror123 at suomi24 dot fi


The formatting isn't the best but it will allow for everyone to know who is next and the emails of each player. If you don't mind your email address posted without all the "at dot" etc let me know since I think it really is a pain. You're gonna get spam anyway so get those filters going.

	28-02-2003 04:58									#287
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I have also set up a yahoo group for this game. I think it will help with the turns if the files are in one place and easier to follow than this thread. I will send out invites. It is my first time trying yahoo groups so if anyone has experience, bad or good, let me know.

	28-02-2003 05:56									#288
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Played and sent 2710bc to persians

	28-02-2003 13:54									#289
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SirOsis


sounds good, but my game address has changed since the first post. Can you edit it to ananias_pbem at yahoo.com? (underscore included) That's also the address I already use for my yahoo groups.

thanks

	28-02-2003 16:36									#290
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yahoo seems to like me so much, it still wants me to join again after 20 tries

well maybe i'll try again tomorrow

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	28-02-2003 21:44									#291
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Ok. I think yahoo might work for us. You can have it send out an email whenever a file is uploaded or a message posted. That way we will always know what is going on automatically. We also have 20MB of storage so that should be plenty.

I have set up the file section with folders labelled "Turn to Player" Where player is our names. So when you need to send a turn just put it in the appropriate folder.

I also have set up a table in the database with all the names, civs and emails for quick reference.

	01-03-2003 02:09									#292
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Great work

If only yahoo would let me log in always the same error message.

	01-03-2003 02:15									#293
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They probably don't want Finns on Yahoo.

	01-03-2003 07:47									#294
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/edit: nevermind, I got in to yahoo.

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	01-03-2003 14:51									#295
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Swissy, please replay your turn, adjust properties to something different before saving, and resend to me. The current one is bugged. I'll PM this to you too.

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	01-03-2003 19:39									#296
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I play online, at least a dozen games a week. Just about all online players have installed the new patch. So, I have installed the new patch. The corrupted turn was played before the install. This re-do turn has been done after. I play way more online and will not do a second PTW installation. So I'd advise either everyone install patch or find a player to take my spot. Note that there is no UK(Euro English) or German version of the patch currently available.

	01-03-2003 19:56									#297
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I still have no luck loading the game, tried with both 1.14 and 1.21 versions

I'll forward the save to SirOsis with my password and tell him to play my turn. I hope he gets the save opened.

	01-03-2003 20:23									#298
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quote: Originally posted by SirOsis They probably don't want Finns on Yahoo.

Seems so Still cant login. Same "try again in 10 minutes" error.

	02-03-2003 03:13									#299
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quote: Originally posted by Conqueror I still have no luck loading the game, tried with both 1.14 and 1.21 versions I'll forward the save to SirOsis with my password and tell him to play my turn. I hope he gets the save opened.

I can load up the turn and get to the password screen. This would not be good if this conyinues to happen. I will try sending to you from a couple of different email accounts, see if that is the problem.

	02-03-2003 03:17									#300
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BTW, any progress on a date and time for a turn fest?