29-11-2003 01:17									#151
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quote: Cort Haus, Just briefly acknowledging the receipt of your thorough PM. I have posted it in our forum - we will respond in detail, addressing the issues raised, but it will take us some time to put the response together. Sorry for not answering your previous PM - we were waiting for GoW to talk to you first. It would have been rather unacceptable to inform you about their decision, which we knew, before they'd tell you officially. Regards, vondrack

	02-12-2003 04:34									#152
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This is an official communication from the Senate of Legoland:

quote: Honourable Nation of Gathering Storm, We, the Senate of Legoland, thank you for the honest message and open analysis of your current situation and options. We hope this response of ours will make it easier for you to understand where we stand, what our plans/intensions are, and most importantly, how all that affects our current and future relations. First: we, to a large extent, agree with your analysis regarding the potentials of Lego, GS, GoW, and ND. In case GoW and ND split Bob between themselves in a fair way, their potentials will almost match the potential of Lego, with GS being severely shafted. We also agree that a more-than-2-civ Bob would suit even our plans better, alas... we do not see a way to create a stable world incorporating such a setup. Assuming RP either dies or survives only in a small exile in the Northern Stormia and GS gains a decent share of the Bobian territory (~100 tiles), the world might seem slightly better balanced at the first glance: Lego ~400 tiles, GoW, ND, and GS ~300 tiles each. The problem, though (from our point of view) would be that GS would make our situation easier (by weakening the potential of GoW & ND), while not improving its own enough to be able to win peacefully. If not giving up the hopes to win the game, GS would be forced to try conquering more land in order to match or outmatch us. Inevitably, we would have to respond by defending the attacked nations, getting involved. Which, however, is exactly what's happening now. When the war broke out and your armies joined, rather unexpectedly, the troops of RP, we faced quite a difficult decision. Despite GoW and ND entering their GA, we did not believe they were strong enough to withstand the might of yours & RP combined in the long run, especially considering your stunning triumph over the strong army of Voxian immortals (later events have pretty much confirmed our concerns). We had to decide whether we preferred Bob split between GoW & ND only or (possibly multinational) Bob with your strong presence - which we, as explained earlier in this message, regarded as a permanent threat to our long term plans (we do not wish to expand beyond Legos). Considering the circumstances addressed earlier, we decided the lesser evil for us was Bob split between GoW & ND - and allied with them, strictly defining the extent of our involvement and the goal to achieve. While it was not possible to ally with GoW & ND and protect them from being overwhelmed by your armies without de facto standing against RP, too, we did make it clear we would not get involved in operations against RP. There was/is a treaty binding us to join no wars against RP... and even though it probably sounds a bit ridiculous, we still honour it in the way we deem appropriate. The destruction or crippling of RP was/is not our business, even if we have no intentions to oppose it. Furthermore, it would be futile to pretend our own selfish interests are better served with anything but a prolonged conflict on Bob. It certainly is no news for you that GoW and ND want no presence of yours on Bob. Legoland's role in this triple alliance is, said in a bit simplified way, to ensure you do not win (on Bob), rather than to ensure you lose there - though, in the end, it probably means the same. However, we would like to make it crystal clear that our role in the alliance with GoW and ND ends with your last soldier leaving the shores of Bob (or with a peace treaty signed between you, GoW, and ND). As leaked in the chat some time ago, we even made it abundantly clear to our current allies we would not support any invasion of Stormia. Not only we would not support/join it, but we would oppose it, just like we currently oppose your presence on Bob. Once the war is over, we are ready to fully revive the cooperation and trading between our two nations, including techs, luxuries, and possibly even strategic resources. As correctly implied by your message, a feeble GS would serve the victorious Bobians most, indirectly hurting our own interests. We are ready to ensure GS keeps at least on par with Bob tech-wise and that GS armed forces are properly equipped to defend their homeland against potential invasions. Once the war on Bob is over (or GS no longer involved in it), there will be nothing preventing a close cooperation between our two nations, unless, of course, GS decides to not cooperate with a nation that hurt its interests in The Great Bobian War. Even if this paragraph is not written in bold, it is the key part of our message to you. We fully acknowledge that our approach to the current situation, with respect to you, is far from "fair". You've got every right to feel bitter about us standing in your way. But then, in this sense, trying to win the game is not "fair" to anyone... only one team can win and Lego wants to win, in its own "builder" way, as much as you or anyone else does. We hope you understand - and we hope that despite standing against each other now, we will not remain that way forever. The Senate of Legoland

	02-12-2003 04:36									#153
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	09-12-2003 16:13									#154
	To Vondrack : request for Gunpowder Support Apolyton, buy Civilization: The Boardgame

quote: Vondrack, You have the turn, so I want to suggest this now, while there's time. GS intends to withdraw from Bob, but as we don't know whether we have any saltpeter on Stormia or within the area we still hold on Bob, we are clinging on until we have gunpowder (which we are researching). If we knew for sure that we were holding none on Bob, we could start leaving immediately and attempt to make peace with ND & GoW. If we are holding some on Bob, but we have none on Stormia then it is essential that we do not abandon it yet - even a couple of turns of SP could be worth us fighting for. Lego have already succeeded in weakening GS to the point of us no longer being in contention. Technically, we understand that your position in the alliance against us remains until every GS unit is off Bob, but the die is cast and Lego must recognise, for their own good, that GS is already broken as a rival. So can you give us Gunpowder now to resolve the issue? It's a cheap tech now, but still takes turns. Lego has won its war, GS has blown the GoW/ND GA for you and delayed the construction of the Bobian uber-power. Now we need a break - in the interests of both of our civs. So how about it? Regards, CH GS

	09-12-2003 16:44									#155
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quote: Hello, Cort Haus! Acknowledging the receipt of your PM. I need to consult with my teammates and perhaps even with our allies before getting back to you with an answer. I've posted your PM in our forum and we are going to sit on the save a bit until a decision is taken. I will get back to you as soon as I know more. Regards, vondrack

	09-12-2003 23:18									#156
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Seems like there was nothing to lose and something to gain, good idea.

	11-12-2003 07:41									#157
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Lego obviously don't plan to give us GP, so I thought I'd be polite and save vondrack the bother of replying :

quote: hi vondrack, First, GS would like to congratulate Lego on building JS Bach's Cathedral. We hope you enjoy the music Second, you might like to know that we're on our way home. In the end we figured that we weren't that fussed about Gunpowder and Saltpeter anyway, and the weather on Bob wasn't really what we were used to. The troops long for home cooking too - you know how it is. I can't imagine what your boys are having to eat in that dungeon of a country they call GoW. Oh, and under the circumstances you can disregard that suggestion that we made about Gunpowder - it's no big deal really Regards, Cort Haus

	11-12-2003 11:52									#158
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Just for my edification, was any parameters given for the rights to build sistine? I mean, it occurs to me that they can use it as a prebuild for a long time and not be concerned about its being build out form under them. I would have made some prohibition in that regard. Start it in so many turns and no swithcing or all bets are off or some such.

	11-12-2003 14:57									#159
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vmxa1: for organisational reasons, diplo logs are for diplomatic messages sent and received only. There are seperate 'comments' threads for each team where we discuss issues arising from diplomatic contacts. If the threads have disappeared from view, you can find them from links in the first post in the topped "office of diplomatic affairs" post.

	11-12-2003 15:15									#160
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quote: After discussing your inquiry in the Senate of Legolad, we believe there is no harm in telling you that there is no saltpeter on Stormia and that there is no saltpeter inside or close to cultural borders of the territory you and RP currently hold on Bob. As for trading gunpowder to you... we are sorry but that cannot be done until there is a peace treaty signed between you and GoW/ND. We hope you understand we cannot provide a key military tech to you, as long as you remain enemies of our current allies (even if you intend to withdraw from the war). However, you have got our word that once the war between you and GoW/ND formally ends, we will trade gunpowder to you at a fair price - and not only that. If you agree to not influence the war on Bob (if there still is one at that time, of course), we will trade you one of our excess saltpeters. We hope this guarantee will be enough for you to start negotiating a peace treaty with GoW/ND.

vondrack

	12-04-2004 19:53									#161
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quote: Vondrack, its been ages since our last communication, but finally there is something we can discuss with you. Would you be interested in a Electricity for Industrialisation trade? We didn't ask you before as we wanted to be sure nobody could beat us in the race to the Theory of Everything, but there seems no harm now, so we would gladly trade with you. We were thinking of the following: We give you Electricity, you give us Industrialisation and 150 gold (the cost difference between the two techs is 480 beakers). Both parties uphold a 20 turn NDA. Would something like that suit you? best regards, DeepO

	13-04-2004 02:58									#162
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quote: Hello, DeepO, Glad to hear from GS again! I posted your message in our forum - until now, the response was agreeable. However, even if I do not expect anyone objecting, I'd prefer giving our active members a wee bit more time to say whether they like it or not. More a matter of principle than a matter of possible controversy of this deal... I sent Industrialization and 150g as unaccepted. Be so kind and counter with Electricity, either accepting or not, up to you. Unless someone comes up with an objection in our forum, we will accept the deal as proposed on the next turn (810AD, so you'd get the tech in 820AD). Best regards, vondrack on behalf of Legoland

	13-04-2004 04:23									#163
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quote: Hello Vondrack, Great! I've accepted and sent Electricity, so in case ratification goes well on your side, it will be there for you. Please understand that with the Easter period, we more or less face the same problem in GS: this deal was not ratified by all our members. I dont expect any objections, but in case we change our mind before you play your turn, I hope we can ask you to deny the offer. It shouldn't happen, normally... Regarding the NDA: it currently is turn 196, 810 AD. Please do not trade or give Electricity to other teams before turn 217. We will not do the same with Industrilisation (so protected to turn 216 inclusive). Pleasure doing business with you DeepO

	25-06-2004 05:11									#164
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quote: Vondrack- Its been awhile since our teams have spoken, we hope all is well with you and others on your team. We noticed that you have a caravel, the Horatio Nelson, within unloading range of our coast. While we of course acknowledge your right to scout, would you mind moving the ship out of landing range? It would prevent a cold-war like naval buildup in our sea. Thanks, Asleepathewheel GS

	11-12-2004 04:55									#165
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quote: Dear Legoland, this is a time of both joy and grief for us. We thought we should give you a heads up, before we make anything public.... Legopolis has fallen. More details will be unveiled later, but we just wanted to let you guys know that we feel for your loss, even if we were responsible. We know how much time you invested in building, what we un-builded in one turn time. Kind regards, Gathering Storm

	25-05-2005 03:37									#166
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quote: Theseus wrote on 24-05-2005 18:33: vondrack, As you may have noticed, GS had decided to more or less not post anything much publicly. We do, however, want to make a point of thanking you for your kind words and compliments about us recently, as well as your overall gentlemanly behavior throughout the course of the game. Thank you, T and the Strat guys... er, Gathering Storm