07-12-2002 01:16									#61
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov And yet your army is still ****...

Well thanks to the Germans selling us Leopard 2 Tanks that is no longer the case. That is the only reason why I have just a little respect for Germany.

And with I do respect to other people in Europe, I think the Spanish Army is better funded (per soldier) and trained. It may not be the largest, but it is probably the most professional.

	07-12-2002 01:17									#62
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I thought you had a hard on for anything associated with goose-stepping fascism?

	07-12-2002 01:18									#63
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov I thought you had a hard on for anything associated with goose-stepping fascism?

Ha. Ha.

	07-12-2002 01:32									#64
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara If you joined to defend the US and you got sent oversees to attack some country that never did anything to you, you can reasonably make the choice to refuse to serve.

There is nothing in the contract that you sign about only doing duty in the United States. It's about the goverment agreeing to do something for you( college money, regular pay, other benifits) and you agreeing to do something for the goverment (follow lawful orders from your commanding officers). It's as simple as that. They dont want to go overseas fine, they can also pay back the goverment what they received and not ***** about it. They signed their name knowing full well what military service includes and what it possibly could include. I bet none of them complained about getting to go to Europe and other places for their occaisional training, but when they actually have to give something they get all principled about it.

	07-12-2002 02:04									#65
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Wouldn't that be special? Enlist and only participate if the mood was right?

	07-12-2002 02:05									#66
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"Drop and give me 20!"

"Sorry, sir, I'm not in the mood today."

"Oh...well. Take a nap instead. DIS-MISSED!"

	07-12-2002 02:09									#67
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quote: Originally posted by SlowwHand Wouldn't that be special? Enlist and only participate if the mood was right?

Yeah... if you really want that experience (sarcasm) join the Spanish legion:

http://www.specwarnet.com/europe/spanish_legion.htm

quote: The Legion today is not for the weak. Training is still brutal with punishment usually being a severe beating from NCOs who run training. Training still takes place in Ronda. It is suprisingly short, usually 3-4 months long. Recruits are signed on for a 3 year contract which is as hard to get out of as the French Foreign Legion's.Rectuits now are all volunteers from Spain (maybe). Basic military skills are taught, and forced marches are the norm. Like FFL, hard marches are supposed to make or brake a soldier. The Assault course is one of the most difficult in the world. Rumor has it live ammunition is used to shoot at recruts feet and over their heads while they are trying to complete the course. Recruits which undergo E&E training, usually BOEL soldiers, should expect punishment. E&E is brutal. The men are subjected to brutal beatings and other means of "torture". While no recruit has been killed during this phase, it must be said that it is probably very close to the real thing.

You will get a real beating joining this force.

The Legion marching:

	07-12-2002 02:10									#68
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quote: Originally posted by Sprayber There is nothing in the contract that you sign about only doing duty in the United States.

I am aware of that, however, we are talking about 1990, and we hadn't engaged in a serious overseas adventure in 20 years. Most of the people, I'm sure, would have been fully prepared to defend South Korea or Germany from invasion, but most people in the US were opposed to going to war with Iraq (until the war actually started). People joined the reserves not knowing that the US was about to embark on a decade of aggression.

It's one thing to defend the US and its allies. It's another thing to be sent to fight wars where the US is the agressor, which is basically every fight we've been in since 1989.

	07-12-2002 02:18									#69
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The United States ( read this as U.N.) was not the aggressor in the Gulf War.

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The US isn't the aggressor. I believe Iraq is. The Iraqi dictatorship have carried suffering and misery onto the kurds, iranians and kuwaitis. Now is it about time this regime be removed with force?

	07-12-2002 02:35									#71
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Hahahaha... the French legion makes the Spanish look a daycare

	07-12-2002 02:43									#72
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quote: Originally posted by Zylka Hahahaha... the French legion makes the Spanish look a daycare

Considering how many times the French Legion has lost (Algeria, Vietnam) I would say not quite. So B.S! I have very little respect of the French Legion.

And if you would even bother reading the link I gave you, you haven proven wrong.

The French legion sucks.

	07-12-2002 02:46									#73
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All the Spanish military has to do is shoo away a few Moroccans off of rocks that don't belong to Spain in the first place. Yeah, that takes guts!

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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov All the Spanish military has to do is shoo away a few Moroccans off of rocks that don't belong to Spain in the first place. Yeah, that takes guts!

That is just responsibility. It is our land and not Morocco's. And it will always be our land. Like Gibraltar, Cueta and that other enclave.

	07-12-2002 02:52									#75
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The difference is that the people of Gibraltar want to be part of the UK, not a 3rd-rate power like Spain, whereas the people of Cueta et al. would prefer to be part of Morocco. Ergo Britain's control of Gibraltar is mandated by the will of the residents, while Spain maintains an immoral hold over unwilling people. Just like with the Basques.

So we see why the Spanish military is kept up so much: to subjugate the people Spain keeps oppressing.

	07-12-2002 02:54									#76
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FREE THE CLUBBERS OF IBIZA

	07-12-2002 02:56									#77
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov The difference is that the people of Gibraltar want to be part of the UK, not a 3rd-rate power like Spain, whereas the people of Cueta et al. would prefer to be part of Morocco. Ergo Britain's control of Gibraltar is mandated by the will of the residents, while Spain maintains an immoral hold over unwilling people. Just like with the Basques. So we see why the Spanish military is kept up so much: to subjugate the people Spain keeps oppressing.

Immoral this.. immoral that... it is our land. The Basque region has always been part of Spain, marxist. Also we are a democratic nation and a unified nation. Your little misleading statements will not undermine my beliefs.

And we are no third rate power anymore pinhead.

	07-12-2002 02:58									#78
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ALL HAIL THE MIGHTY SPANISH ARMADA

	07-12-2002 02:59									#79
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how to avoid it?

say youre crazy or say youre gay

	07-12-2002 03:00									#80
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quote: Originally posted by Fez Immoral this.. immoral that... it is our land.

Same justification used by Palestinian suicide bombers for their exploits.

quote: The Basque region has always been part of Spain, marxist.

Has it really? Suuuuuure. Even if that were true, so what? It is immoral not to rule by consent of the residents, don't you think?

And marxist?

quote: Also we are a democratic nation and a unified nation. Your little misleading statements will not undermine my beliefs.

Beliefs of someone who doesn't rely on facts could hardly be undermined by using them, true.

quote: And we are no third rate power anymore pinhead.

You've fallen to FOURTH rate already?

	07-12-2002 03:00									#81
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quote: Originally posted by Zylka ALL HAIL THE MIGHTY SPANISH ARMADA

What is your problem? Shall I bring up Vietnam if you are from the US?

	07-12-2002 03:02									#82
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Now, now...don't get mad just because the Armada was the high water mark of Spanish expeditions...

	07-12-2002 03:02									#83
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov Same justification used by Palestinian suicide bombers for their exploits.

This is Spain and we are a nation. Palestine isn't a nation. Also I believe it is the ETA blowing up cafes.

quote: Has it really? Suuuuuure. Even if that were true, so what? It is immoral not to rule by consent of the residents, don't you think?

They have a provincial government, pal. And the last time I heard, the people of the Basque regions gave the PP (pro-Spanish) ruling party big wins, though it still is the minority in the government.

quote: Beliefs of someone who doesn't rely on facts could hardly be undermined by using them, true.

Shut up.

quote: You've fallen to FOURTH rate already?

Shut up.

I am not in any mood for petty little remarks made by the uninformed.

	07-12-2002 03:04									#84
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I <3 Fez...

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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov Now, now...don't get mad just because the Armada was the high water mark of Spanish expeditions...

That was 1588, I am talking about 1966(?)-1974 (or was it 1973?).

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quote: Originally posted by Fez That was 1588, I am talking about 1966(?)-1974 (or was it 1973?).

Exactly. Over 400 years later, and you guys still haven't gotten back on track.

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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov Exactly. Over 400 years later, and you guys still haven't gotten back on track.

I will abstain from commenting on this because MtG has me on probation.

But I will say insults of this kind really show what kind of person you really are. A xenophobe.

	07-12-2002 03:08									#88
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Americans needed the help of the french to get their independence and according to them there isnt any more low one can get.

spanish had a great naval power when we were just pirates

(we werent free to have the biggest marine fleet in the world as we do now you see)

	07-12-2002 03:10									#89
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This seems to have turned into a congregation of f*cking idiots (myself included)

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quote: Originally posted by Fez I will abstain from commenting on this because MtG has me on probation. But I will say insults of this kind really show what kind of person you really are. A xenophobe.

Hey, I'm not the one who supports the suppression of ethnic minorities *cough*Basques*cough* and foreign nationals *cough*Morocco*cough*

I want alls the peoples to jests gets along!