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Zylka
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Funny that you didn't actually address the points I used to criticise your music, I must have really hit a nerve of truth. Furthermore - you haven't offered anything specific or technical on why progressive house "DULLS AND NOT STIRRS"
Sh*t man, you read a few braindamaged, vague, flake Scando-critics and start to act like them. I have a feeling you're a little caught up in the rap movement for it's complete novelty. But please, do explain point by point how my criticism fails, and point by point what technicalities your ghetto trash has to offer?
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Buck Birdseed
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Khoon Ki Pyasi Dayan (1988)
Nov 2000
time: 05:24
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I wasn't aware you'd made that request, but okay, I'll do it (in a patronising way  ). Please feel free to go ahead and explain yourself what good can come out of a relentless dull thud that sounds like a thousand other relentless dull thuds...
Right. Please, for reference, download a copy of Get Ur Freak On by the aforementioned Missy Elliott.
Now, try to identify each of the lines that make up the song, and try to picture them on your own. As far as I remember there's the song line (which we can ignore for the moment as it builds on all the other lines), the fast percussive line, a slower percussive line, the main melodic line, a bass line and one line of organ chords. Listen carefully to each of these lines. Are they "unique"? Have you heard them before in any other song? Do they behave in an expected way? Is there drive in each of the lines? Do they vary extensively in a funk/jazz improv way? Listen especially to the fadeout.
Now, try to picture them together. Is any one line drowned out by the others? Can you clearly, at all moments of the song discern each of the lines on its own? Does it still work in an original manner? What about the harmonies formed? Are they similar to standard harmonies formed in rock? Try, if you like, to replicate some of the chords.
Now, think of each line purely as an expression of rhythm and not melody. How many different rhythmical elements are there? How many cyclic patterns are there? How many simple patterns vs. complex patterns are there? Are there any patterns at all, in fact, that conform to a "standard" pattern for any kind of music? Any simple thud thud thud?
Now, listen to all of the rhythmical patterns together. All of them are entirely different from each other and hit in different places timewise. Yet do they produce an unlistenable, random cacophony?
Now, relax, and try to bob along to the beat. Does this come intuitively? Are you surprised by your own actions? Can you stop yourself from banging your head after that action has been declared?
Can you claim Progressive House is better in any of these areas?
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Zylka
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I am impressed by your (although patronising) defense of ME technically and will give it a listen and fair trial
Now, speaking of progressive house - I do defend it as simply the most layered genre out there, but at the same time realise why some don't enjoy it. Perhaps you'd like to actually (on the spot) list some songs that you know of. Go ahead, I'm sure that you must know of 2002's big hits, being the Euro critic. If that's too difficult, name a handfull of well known producers. Could you even do so for a few djs? I'm wondering where you get your disdain for this genre - in short, do you know any of it at all?
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Zylka
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Ask him if he got Bedrock's new "Dust", and what his favorite track of the moment is!
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Zylka
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Deep house has it's place, just not when you're on your own. Evidence that all "electronica" isn't all the same though - severe critics of each sub genre all over within.
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XarXo
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of the "I agree"
Jul 2000
time: 05:24
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A "minor" difference between USA and UE:
Languages in USA: English and Spanish
Languages in UE: English and Spanish, also: French, German, Polish, Italian, Greek, Serbocroat, Catalan, Flemish, Frisian, Sweden, Norweigen, Danish, ...
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Cagliostro
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I think a problem why lots of european bands are unknown in the US is (besides the language) the fact that many have a too experimental approach to really accessible to a wide range of listeners - take Einstürzende Neubauten for example - their early work had a huge impact on lots of other successfull bands (like nine inch nails and the whole industrial genre, allthough I wouldn't call them industrial themselves).
Same with Kraftwerk - they're better known, but still i'd say some musical ideas they invented were later on partially copied and lots more successfull.
They're producing a new album without any record companys support - check www.neubauten.org if you're interested.
Another interesting phenomenon is that some bands, like Atari teenage riot or others mentioned above are better known in the US or Japan than in their own countries...
There is some great european ambient as well - Kruder & Dorfmeister (Austrian, if I am correct), Mouse on Mars etc...
Last edited by Cagliostro on 11-12-2002 at 05:41
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Bereta_Eder
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Any reference to France in a music thread without the mention of Edith Piaf borders blasphemy.
Gainsbourg was a slimy degenerate like his daughter(hence the appeal).
Mano Negra or Negresses Vertes (?) certaintly deserve to be mentioned.
Lavoine certaintly does not except for his song Paris and Tournesols.
Alizee is worth it just for getting that sex drive just by watching her videos.
Patricia Kaas OTOH seems OK all across the board.
Daft Punk and Air for those who don't want to be fooled by Michele Gare (sp?)
And for something a bit more "rockie" maybe SAEZ
While the big ass mothership remains without contestation Noir Desir
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10-12-2002 21:14
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