08-12-2002 10:52									#1
	Does Europe (exlcuding the UK) produce any good music? Suffering from ads?

This is a derivative thread from the Canada and U.K. music blows goats.

Now the question is does AMerica only recieve the most god-awful stuff from continental Europe or is it truly a "musical desert" as a friend from Malta once described European music.

	08-12-2002 10:54									#2
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The only good European band outside of Britain seem to come occasionally from Sweden, and France has a couple with Air and Daft Punk.

	08-12-2002 10:55									#3
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Yes, Europe is musical desert, we hate all music and can't do any good stuff that we can call our own.
Also all the chicks won't shave and there are no elevators in Europe or air conditioning.
Cars basically sucks, and we are all anti-semitic nazis with gay accent.

	08-12-2002 11:04									#4
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I though Daft Punk was from Montreal

Anyway, Europe is top of the world for all forms of dance music and electronica. It's a clubber's paradise, although I know none of you on here enjoy that sort of thing

	08-12-2002 11:24									#5
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Is the person who posed the question Anglophone? A monolingual music fan peut-etre?

From France, as mentioned, Air and Daft Punk, and also Juliette Greco, Francoise Hardy and Edith Piaf. And of course Charles Trenet, Hector Zazou and the sublime Les Negresses Vertes (Zobi la Mouche is one of my all time favourite singles).

From Belgium, Jacques Brel (we'll pass on Plastic Bertrand).

From the Netherlands, for the old timers, Golden Earring, and of the songwriting team of Vanda and Young (behind the Easybeats), Mr. Vanda was a Dutch immigrant in Australia. Also the superb chanteuse Mathilde Santing, and Elly Ameling, who sings both classical and 'popular' music.

Germany gave us Kraftwerk, Can, Conny Plank, Giorgio Moroder, Holger Czukay, Neu, and Nico.

Sweden for our listening pleasure, endowed the world with the catchy melodies and strangely endearing Eurenglish of Abba.

Further East, you get the Terem Quartet from Russia, from the cold North, Mari Boine Perrsen (spelling?) the Sami songstress, Bjork from Iceland, the Trio Bulgarka from Bulgaria, Eleftheria Arvanitaki from Greece, along with Vangelis and Mikis Theodorakis.

From Italy, Ennio Morricone.

In the world of Jazz, you get Stephane Grappelli, Django Reinhardt, Jan Garbarek, Jacques Loussier and plenty more besides. And that's not inlcuding Ireland, not all of whose singers/songwriters perform/compose exclusively in English...

	08-12-2002 11:28									#6
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In all the worlds, there are tons of music from here. Industry is just bigger in the US, so you might not always hear it on MTV. There are so many artists, you can go on and on.

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Rammstein, I like them

What about Sweddish bands? (abba.. etc)
oh and Cardigans... I used to like them.

Speaking of realm of techno...

Robert Miles is european as well. Was he Italian? I forgot.

EDIT: Ooh yea and bjork. My friend had an unhealthy obsession with her. I kinda like some of her artsiness, but sometimes shes just kinda too weird for me.

	08-12-2002 12:12									#8
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Don't forget all those Fennoscandic metal bands. My favourite at the moment is the Finnish Nightwish. Much more imaginative than the bland nu-metal coming out these days.

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Man, one thing Europe does have going for it:

Extreme Eskimo nu classic jazz fusion. We went to the festival a few weeks ago, those eskimos get at it

	08-12-2002 12:26									#10
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Does classical count?

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My favourite new discovery of the year is a German band- The Notwist.

	08-12-2002 13:01									#12
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quote: Originally posted by ThePantaloonDog This is a derivative thread from the Canada and U.K. music blows goats. Now the question is does AMerica only recieve the most god-awful stuff from continental Europe or is it truly a "musical desert" as a friend from Malta once described European music.

I wanted to add the rest of Europe to my thread, but I decided I hadn't heard enough of its music to know for sure that it sucked...

	08-12-2002 13:35									#13
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Since I'm into metal I sometimes have to ask myself whether the world outside Europe produces any good music

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Long live death metal, music of the people!

Europe is so silly.

	08-12-2002 13:58									#15
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Some european groups I like (UK included):

Italy:
Ain Soph, Devil Doll
Norway:
Apoptygma Berzerk, Theatre of Tragedy
Sweden:
April Tears, Candlemass, Covenant, Equinox ov the Gods, Heimdall, Lake of Tears, Malaise, (Morgana) Lefay, Therion, Tiamat, Weeping Willows
UK:
Athamay, Bauhaus, Black Sabbath, Coil, Cradle of Filth, Current 93, Death in June, Fields of the Nephilim, Inkubus Sukkubus, Iron Maiden, Joy Division, Judas Priest, Mesh, My Dying Bride, New Order, Nosferatu, Ozzy Osbourne, Placebo, Rosetta Stone, Sol Invictus, Suede, The Cure, The Nefilim, The Sisters of Mercy
Germany:
Blind Guardian, Deine Lakaien, Der Blutharsch, Diary of Dreams, Garden of Delight, Hagalaz' Runedance, Lacrimosa, Project Pitchfork, Sopor Aeternus and the Ensemble of Shadows, Wolfsheim
Finland:
HIM, Nightwish, The 69 Eyes, Two Witches
Denmark:
King Diamond, Mercyful Fate
Slovenia:
Laibach
Portugal:
Moonspell
Switzerland:
Samael

btw.. most US music is ehm.. :g:
among the few exceptions:
Christian Death, Dio, London After Midnight, Megadeth, Seraphim Shock

	08-12-2002 14:04									#16
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quote: The only good European band outside of Britain seem to come occasionally from Sweden

The Swedes have given us some of the best punk of the last decade, especially Refused although bands like No Fun At All aren't bad either...
And they also have quite a bit of good metal...

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There's good music all over the place, in pretty much all countries but the problem is usually that you never get a chance to hear it or hear about it. As Boshko just said for example, there's plenty of good metal in Sweden but not even here you hear about it. It's all mainstreamed. You have go look for it yourself.

	08-12-2002 15:28									#18
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Calc II, if you like Rammstein you should check out Megahertz. Not quite as good, but almost.

Boshko, don't forget the Hives

	08-12-2002 15:29									#19
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The Hives is crap and everyone knows it.

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'....with gay accent"

well that part's true.

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Rammstain is just a bad copy of Laibach, because market wants more and Laibach doesnt provide

HIM

nobody mentioned Prodigy

	08-12-2002 17:41									#22
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quote: Originally posted by ThePantaloonDog This is a derivative thread from the Canada and U.K. music blows goats. Now the question is does AMerica only recieve the most god-awful stuff from continental Europe or is it truly a "musical desert" as a friend from Malta once described European music.

Europe and music... just doesn't fit. It takes many years between the few good artists, that exist in Europe. And most of them doesn't survive long, since Europeans only listens to hard metal and those one beat "songs" known as techno...

I hope (and believe) there's more difference in the music in America... (But I guess, I'll find out, when I finally get enough money, to move out of Europe...)

EDIT: The only place in Europe, where there's released some good songs "often", is Germany (e.g. Die Toten Hosen), but most of them, only sings/raps in German, so I don't think they'll be released in America... (Btw, I'm NOT German )

	08-12-2002 17:52									#23
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See, the problem is that quite a few of the really good bands in any country will want to make music in their own language. Something like, I dunno, Kent or Håkan Hellström, miles above anything coming out of the UK, never reaches global popularity because of the language barrier...

	08-12-2002 18:17									#24
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VetLegion, Rammstein and Laibach have completely different sounds. (I'm assuming you refer to Laibachs "Opus Dei" and "Nato" phase, since they change style with each album)

Rammstein reinvigorated hardcore/industrial in a way not seen since the New Wave of British Heavy Metal.

While I love Laibach as well (have all their albums except for that painfully bad one featuring children singing about peace), they never influenced other music quite as much, IMO.

BTW, ever sen Rammstein live? Amazing. Best live show I've ever been to (and that actually includes Laibach promoting Opus Dei).

Good call on Prodigy, though. Can't believe I missed that...

	08-12-2002 18:18									#25
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Kroppie, I quite like them. I missed all the hype about them, though, since they are still fairly unknown over here...

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Apocalyptica.

	08-12-2002 19:49									#27
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Al'Kimiya, nice list! You should also check out the following bands:

3rd AND THE MORTAL (Norway)
WITHIN TEMPTATION (Netherlands)
THE GATHERING (Netherlands)
HAGGARD (Germany?)
VINTERSORG (Sweden)
OPETH (Sweden)
KATATONIA (Sweden)
BATHORY (Sweden)- "Hammerheart" and "Blood on Ice" CDs
TRISTANIA (Norway)

Judging from your list, you will probably like several of these bands

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quote: Originally posted by Combat Ingrid Al'Kimiya, nice list! You should also check out the following bands: 3rd AND THE MORTAL (Norway) WITHIN TEMPTATION (Netherlands) THE GATHERING (Netherlands) HAGGARD (Germany?) VINTERSORG (Sweden) OPETH (Sweden) KATATONIA (Sweden) BATHORY (Sweden)- "Hammerheart" and "Blood on Ice" CDs TRISTANIA (Norway) Judging from your list, you will probably like several of these bands

Well I didn't name all bands I like, just the ones I knew which country they were from Thanks anyhow.

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What about Entombed?

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quote: Originally posted by Kropotkin What about Entombed?

Used to be good, but not for the last 10 years or so
Too many good Death Metal bands turned into commercial junk in the mid-nineties...

At least there are some exceptions, like THERION, TIAMAT etc. Very far from Death Metal nowadays, but still great