13-12-2002 11:29									#31
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quote: Originally posted by Apocalypse GhengisFarb...in lower Ghengland, why does whatsitsname get GeoFront's Saltpeter?

It's not Geofront's saltpeter its Ghengistown's saltpeter and Geofront has been unethically borrowing it. We got it from Tyre and Ghengistown is New Tyre.

1) Ghengistown is closer to a palace/forbidden palace and would suffer less loss from corruption.

2) Ghengistown is supposed to be buiding Wonders and needs all the mined hills it can get to do so.

3) Do you really want me to finish that leaderhead or not?

quote: Originally posted by E_T THis is a very good point and needs to be addressed, not for just this City, but for all of the new Regions. So, on that note.... Domestic Ministries Executive Order #1 (tenitive): The Redistricting of the Provences will have the following restriction - Cities that have tiles that overlap with another city will be part of the same district/provence. E_T

That does not work, I tried to do the same thing with the $Mini-game and there are just too few areas where cities don't overlap.

	13-12-2002 11:37									#32
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There are 7 people currently listed as potential RAs. Assuming that the DM gets one, that would leave just one Province still open under the old Provincial designations. I am sure that with some cajoling we can muster up one more RA (maybe give the Prez Mingacpolco (or however you spell it)). I think the old designations can work. As for which city works what tile with reguards to overlap, let the two RA's haggle over it. If they can't come to a compromise, then the DM makes a choice.

For graphics (and graphics alone), I still think that borders should be geopraphical and not city radius.

	13-12-2002 11:47									#33
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quote: Originally posted by donegeal There are 7 people currently listed as potential RAs. Assuming that the DM gets one, that would leave just one Province still open under the old Provincial designations. I am sure that with some cajoling we can muster up one more RA (maybe give the Prez Mingacpolco (or however you spell it)). I think the old designations can work. As for which city works what tile with reguards to overlap, let the two RA's haggle over it. If they can't come to a compromise, then the DM makes a choice. For graphics (and graphics alone), I still think that borders should be geopraphical and not city radius.

I could see Lower Ghengland being divided into the Eastern five cities (the Ghenglish Coast) and the Western five cites (Ghenglish Highlands). In which case I would prefer to RA the Highlands (Ghengistown).

	13-12-2002 12:00									#34
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quote: Originally posted by GhengisFarb It's not Geofront's saltpeter its Ghengistown's saltpeter and Geofront has been unethically borrowing it. We got it from Tyre and Ghengistown is New Tyre. 1) Ghengistown is closer to a palace/forbidden palace and would suffer less loss from corruption. 2) Ghengistown is supposed to be buiding Wonders and needs all the mined hills it can get to do so. 3) Do you really want me to finish that leaderhead or not? That does not work, I tried to do the same thing with the $Mini-game and there are just too few areas where cities don't overlap.

Ghengistown will have plenty of Hills to use without using that one Hill, at least until it increases beyond Size 13.

E_T

	13-12-2002 22:38									#35
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quote: Originally posted by E_T Ghengistown will have plenty of Hills to use without using that one Hill, at least until it increases beyond Size 13. E_T

That should be in about two weeks...........

	13-12-2002 23:15									#36
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The new DM could make the boundary along tile lines and in effect designate that such and such tile within city radius of city A & city B is to always be worked by A.

	13-12-2002 23:39									#37
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quote: Originally posted by joncnunn The new DM could make the boundary along tile lines and in effect designate that such and such tile within city radius of city A & city B is to always be worked by A.

This would work, but I think it would hamper some cities.

Just let the RAs work it out between themselves. So long as we (I am assuming I'll be an RA here ) maintain our objectivity, it really won't be that hard; even if there isn't a clear reason like "City A has no unshared hills, City B uses only 4 of its 8", corruption can always decide disputes.

	13-12-2002 23:49									#38
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quote: Originally posted by GhengisFarb That should be in about two weeks...........

After it's completed ToE. then by the time the Hosp is built & it's grown to size 14, it will be the end of the term.

E_T

	14-12-2002 00:15									#39
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quote: Originally posted by E_T After it's completed ToE. then by the time the Hosp is built & it's grown to size 14, it will be the end of the term. E_T

I thought the Forbidden city was building ToE.

	14-12-2002 04:30									#40
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quote: Originally posted by GhengisFarb It's not Geofront's saltpeter its Ghengistown's saltpeter and Geofront has been unethically borrowing it. We got it from Tyre and Ghengistown is New Tyre. 1) Ghengistown is closer to a palace/forbidden palace and would suffer less loss from corruption. 2) Ghengistown is supposed to be buiding Wonders and needs all the mined hills it can get to do so. 3) Do you really want me to finish that leaderhead or not? That does not work, I tried to do the same thing with the $Mini-game and there are just too few areas where cities don't overlap.

1. GeoFront had it first. I know because I was the one who connected it.

2. I can bring up posts from two and three months ago about GeoFront being a major city.

3. Points 1 and 2 don't matter if you get that leaderhead done I have some more pictures if you need them.

	14-12-2002 11:16									#41
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quote: Originally posted by Apocalypse 1. GeoFront had it first. I know because I was the one who connected it. 2. I can bring up posts from two and three months ago about GeoFront being a major city. 3. Points 1 and 2 don't matter if you get that leaderhead done I have some more pictures if you need them.

1) Ghengistown had it first as it wasn't even in our territory, it was part of the Persian Annexation and was part of Tyre's (now Ghengistown) city radius. It was Ghengistown's BEFORE we knew there was saltpeter there and Geofront only thieved after they figured out it had a resource.

2) So its, a major city, it ain't buildin no Wonders is it?

3) Three more weeks added on to the wait for the leaderhead! Keep arguing and I can push it back to 2004.

	14-12-2002 11:30									#42
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quote: Originally posted by GhengisFarb I thought the Forbidden citywas building ToE.

No, it's building Universal Sufferage

E_T

	15-12-2002 06:13									#43
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quote: Originally posted by GhengisFarb I was the one who proposed razing Tyre and moving it East to give Geofront more room. Geofront is a potential 20+ city and should not be crowded like originally proposed due to its high production potential with abundant mountains and grassland.

Geofront was around before Ghengistown too.

Take a look at this old screenshot:
http://apolyton.net/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=1287074

Geofront was ment to be a major city and even has more culture than Ghengistown. The problem is that no one is letting it grow.

I'm not arguing, I am just agreeing with what you said in the past.

	15-12-2002 11:51									#44
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Random idea: Why don't we hold a regular chat, like the court? It'll be much easier to sort out tile disputes, worker transfers, unit building distribution, etc. in real-time then it would be to send floods of PMs throughout the week.

Depending on the number of RAs, it may be a little difficult to schedule, but it would be okay if one or two are absent each chat.

	15-12-2002 16:26									#45
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quote: Originally posted by Apocalypse Geofront was around before Ghengistown too. Take a look at this old screenshot: http://apolyton.net/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=1287074 Geofront was ment to be a major city and even has more culture than Ghengistown. The problem is that no one is letting it grow. I'm not arguing, I am just agreeing with what you said in the past.

And in that picture the saltpeter is in Ghengistown's radius and NOT even in Apolytonia's territory, it's in Persia's.

	15-12-2002 17:24									#46
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Apoc, I don't see you listed anywhere about wanting an RA position. If your not going to be an RA, what does it matter where the Saltpeter goes?

Like I said before, the RA would work under the DM. If a dispute arose that the RA couldn't work out on their own, it would be the DM's choice. He's the boss.

	15-12-2002 21:21									#47
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quote: Originally posted by donegeal Apoc, I don't see you listed anywhere about wanting an RA position. If your not going to be an RA, what does it matter where the Saltpeter goes? Like I said before, the RA would work under the DM. If a dispute arose that the RA couldn't work out on their own, it would be the DM's choice. He's the boss.

. Geofront's Apoc's city, and Ghengistown's Ghengis'. Very serious and game shattering stuff you've involved yourself in donegeal ...

-- adaMada

	16-12-2002 04:17									#48
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Steady....steady

	16-12-2002 04:59									#49
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quote: Originally posted by adaMada . Geofront's Apoc's city, and Ghengistown's Ghengis'. Very serious and game shattering stuff you've involved yourself in donegeal ... -- adaMada

Watch it! Just cuz you ain't got a city..........

	16-12-2002 06:57									#50
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By the way, I guess we need version 1.21f... Anyone know where I can download it? (I skipped from 1.17 to 1.29).

	16-12-2002 09:54									#51
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quote: Originally posted by Panzer32 By the way, I guess we need version 1.21f... Anyone know where I can download it? (I skipped from 1.17 to 1.29).

Just go through civ3.com and modify the link to the 1.29 patch appropriately. (i.e. Change the "1.29f" to "1.21f")

	16-12-2002 19:00									#52
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Well Spiffor what's the news then? Regional Administrator Meshelic ready for duty!

	17-12-2002 00:50									#53
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I await word from our newly elected DM on region definitions and assignments. I will work anywhere. ( But would love to have Dijon in my region )

	17-12-2002 01:25									#54
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quote: Originally posted by GhengisFarb And in that picture the saltpeter is in Ghengistown's radius and NOT even in Apolytonia's territory, it's in Persia's.

Except Ghengistown isn't even around when that screenshot was taken. Geofront was.

	17-12-2002 02:37									#55
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quote: Originally posted by dejon Just go through civ3.com and modify the link to the 1.29 patch appropriately. (i.e. Change the "1.29f" to "1.21f")

I think you can also get it on www.firaxis.com; when I went there to get 1.14 for PTW, the list of patches seemed to go back to their first game, and included obselete (err, older) patches.

EDIT: Since it looks like a lot of RAs are gonna need it, here's a more direct link.

	17-12-2002 05:19									#56
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Thanks for the link Kloreep, I too needed to revert back to 1.21f. I'm running both, the vanilla version with 1.21 and PTW with it's newest patch.

Spiffor have you reached a decision on assigning RA's, or which region's borders shall be changed?

	17-12-2002 05:47									#57
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quote: Originally posted by Meshelic Thanks for the link Kloreep, I too needed to revert back to 1.21f. I'm running both, the vanilla version with 1.21 and PTW with it's newest patch.

Sure.

quote: Spiffor have you reached a decision on assigning RA's, or which region's borders shall be changed?

He said he'd not have much internet access till monday, so I imagine either he still doesn't have a reliable connection, or he's frantically trying to catch up with the last few day's worth of news.

	17-12-2002 05:49									#58
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quote: Originally posted by Kloreep He said he'd not have much internet access till monday, so I imagine either he still doesn't have a reliable connection, or he's frantically trying to catch up with the last few day's worth of news.

Oh ok that explains it, I must have missed that.

With all the latest news going on, I don't blame him. There's a lot to catch up on....

	17-12-2002 05:53									#59
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quote: Originally posted by Apocalypse Except Ghengistown isn't even around when that screenshot was taken. Geofront was.

The citizens of Ghengistown or more that willing to make Geofront not around if that's what you really want.

	17-12-2002 06:25									#60
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Oh boy, seems we have a civil war erupting.