13-12-2002 23:26									#31
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Sava: Okay, I just quit... quite frankly you wanna hear about how shitty my day has been? I had to sit outside infront of school, calling one taxi company that never showed up. I sat out for two hours. I didn't have any other numbers to call. I almost broke my back trying to get this heavy arm chair up to my room. I am not in a good mood for false rhetoric.

quote: next you'll tell us how there's this deep-rooted liberal conspiracy in the media

There always has been.

	13-12-2002 23:27									#32
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Fez rocks dude.

	13-12-2002 23:27									#33
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quote: Originally posted by Fez Any hints about defections from the Republican party are false.

It didn't say they were defecting from the Party, it said they were defecting from Bush.

	13-12-2002 23:28									#34
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara It didn't say they were defecting from the Party, it said they were defecting from Bush.

I disagree with that notion.

	13-12-2002 23:29									#35
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This thread has been Stamped by Fez!

"Abandon all Reason, Ye Who Enter Here..."

	13-12-2002 23:29									#36
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So when prominent Republicans like Armey and Schlaffly are criticizing Bush and Ashcroft, you think that's just made up?

	13-12-2002 23:31									#37
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara So when prominent Republicans like Armey and Schlaffly are criticizing Bush and Ashcroft, you think that's just made up?

Umm I sometimes criticize Bush myself for some of his beliefs... does that mean I am going to stop supporting Bush overall? No it does not.

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quote: Originally posted by Fez I disagree with that notion.

This is the part where you provide support for this assertion. Otherwise, it's just a bald-faced assertion. You can't expect anyone to take you seriously when you knee-jerk disagree with something without providing evidence for why it is wrong.

Saying it's from a liberal source isn't refuting the content of the article.

Now stop Fezzing and start citing!

	13-12-2002 23:31									#39
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quote: Originally posted by Fez I disagree with that notion.

So you are claiming that the article is FACTUALLY incorrect simply because it disagree with your sensibilities?

Fez: I trust that you are a somewhat educated individual: take your assertion to any worthwhile logics professor and see what they tell you about this assertion of yours.

	13-12-2002 23:32									#40
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Well Che, it appears as though your thread is getting Fezzed, so I will try to see what a real response will do.

No doubt many on the right have problems with many of the actions Bush has taken. Certainly detaining Padilla indefinitely without charging him is one of the worst examples. However, keep in mind that in previous wars we have seen far greater abuses of civil liberties. And so far it seems most of their worst actions have been taken against suspected terrorists-- after all you and your far-lefty peoples are still able to rant on these forums. The sad thing is support for these kinds of authoritarian action seem bipartisan, the Dems did vote for the PATRIOT act after all so I don't think withdrawing support for Bush would do anything. The main reason I still support Bush though is because I want to see a ban on partial birth abortion and have pro-life justices appointed to the supreme court. Also, I feel an agressive foreign policy is nessecary in dealing with the opponents- we have to crush threats before they come at us, we can't wait for disasters to strike.

I don't think defection against Bush will be serious. In the 2002 election Bush got very strong support and turnout from his conservative base.

Oh, and Fez, if you don't have anything add besides "that article is a load of crap", don't add anything at all.

	13-12-2002 23:34									#41
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Schlaffly, now there's a real brain drain...

	13-12-2002 23:35									#42
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov This is the part where you provide support for this assertion. Otherwise, it's just a bald-faced assertion. You can't expect anyone to take you seriously when you knee-jerk disagree with something without providing evidence for why it is wrong. Saying it's from a liberal source isn't refuting the content of the article. Now stop Fezzing and start citing!

Why the **** should I refute this source with another source? That makes my own belief system look weak, I shouldn't be required to post a source to disprove something that already is uncredible.

You are the bald faced assertion man! OH MY GOODNESS, BORIS STRIKES AGAIN!

	13-12-2002 23:35									#43
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Aw Fez, I'm sorry for your bad day... but please try not to take it out on us. Learn to cope with your anger my friend. Redirecting it only makes things worse.

	13-12-2002 23:36									#44
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I give up, you people are hopeless.

	13-12-2002 23:36									#45
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quote: Originally posted by Fez That makes my own belief system look weak

Nah, that's not what makes your belief system look weak

	13-12-2002 23:37									#46
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quote: Originally posted by Fez I give up, you people are hopeless.

Oh settle down Fezzie Lumpkins! We're just joking around with you...

	13-12-2002 23:37									#47
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Sava, another hopeless unfornate leftist.

	13-12-2002 23:38									#48
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Nah, I've got tons of hope, and I'm very fortunate.

	13-12-2002 23:39									#49
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I just give up... and Sava I hate you.

	13-12-2002 23:39									#50
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quote: Originally posted by Fez Why the **** should I refute this source with another source? That makes my own belief system look weak, I shouldn't be required to post a source to disprove something that already is uncredible.

Are you on drugs?! that's hysterical! So your belief system will "look weak" by providing factual support for your arguments? What kind of zany alternate reality do you inhabit?

Fez, seriously--it's making empty assertions without supporting them that make your belief system look weak. It makes it look like you base your opinions on nothing but whims. If you made an effort to back up your position, people would think your opinions are actually based on reason and would therefore respect them more.

Everyone on poly already thinks your belief system is silly, so clearly your method of empty assertions isn't working. Maybe time to try a different tactic?

quote: You are the bald faced assertion man! OH MY GOODNESS, BORIS STRIKES AGAIN!

Now come on. You know so well that a comeback like this is lame. "No I'm not, YOU ARE!" we all got over that in 2nd grade.

	13-12-2002 23:39									#51
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quote: Originally posted by Fez Why the **** should I refute this source with another source? That makes my own belief system look weak, I shouldn't be required to post a source to disprove something that already is uncredible.

Actually, Fez, the opposite is true. You are required to provide evidence for your assertions in order to back them up. No one is required to accept anything you say, just because you say so. That is why you are BAM. All you do is assert. You do not provide evidence.

	13-12-2002 23:41									#52
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"Sava, another hopeless unfornate leftist."

Well, I am a rightist and I think what you are doing is stupid. You have to stop Fezjacking threads like the way you did on this thread. Look over this thread, it's nothing but you screaming that your opponents are illogical and non-credible.

	13-12-2002 23:42									#53
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quote: Originally posted by Shi Huangdi "Sava, another hopeless unfornate leftist." Well, I am a rightist and I think what you are doing is stupid. You have to stop Fezjacking threads like the way you did on this thread. Look over this thread, it's nothing but you screaming that your opponents are illogical and non-credible.

... and saying how much he hates me even though I love him

	13-12-2002 23:43									#54
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov Are you on drugs?! that's hysterical! So your belief system will "look weak" by providing factual support for your arguments? What kind of zany alternate reality do you inhabit? Fez, seriously--it's making empty assertions without supporting them that make your belief system look weak. It makes it look like you base your opinions on nothing but whims. If you made an effort to back up your position, people would think your opinions are actually based on reason and would therefore respect them more. Everyone on poly already thinks your belief system is silly, so clearly your method of empty assertions isn't working. Maybe time to try a different tactic? Now come on. You know so well that a comeback like this is lame. "No I'm not, YOU ARE!" we all got over that in 2nd grade.

I will not respond to the repetitions of the falsehoods already stated here. I will not respond to these lies and obvious misrepresentations any further.

	13-12-2002 23:44									#55
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Damnit, Fez. If you want to argue something then argue it. They provided evidence, and you haven't. You done nothing but spam out a bunch of unsupported statements. Debating requires a back and forth, not just one side providing evidence and the other side saying, "That's a load of crap."

	13-12-2002 23:44									#56
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BAM!

What was a lie? Come on, back up your assertions.

	13-12-2002 23:44									#57
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quote: Originally posted by Sava ... and saying how much he hates me even though I love him

How can that be? I take things very literally, and you are straight so that isn't possible. Now back off.

	13-12-2002 23:47									#58
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Would it be wrong for me to create another account so I could make posts like Fez? I'm just so jealous of his ability to start flame wars.

	13-12-2002 23:48									#59
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Just because I'm straight doesn't mean I can't love another man... and love doesn't equal sexual attraction or anything like that...

	13-12-2002 23:50									#60
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It'll get you banned, gsmoove. Besides, why bother immitating when Fez already does it for you?