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XarXo
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of the "I agree"
Jul 2000
time: 05:24
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PFFFFWAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA !! ECONOMIC REVIVAL!!!!! WOAHAHAHAHAAA!!!! 
What a JOKE!! The "revival" affected ALL the countries from 1995 till 2000!! The "New Economy" and the asian problems focused the productivity in the two western blocks (UE & USA), I can assure that PP has NOTHING related with this "success". We just were the cheap one in the expensive area, so all the external inversion went here. Also, don't forgot the "minor" UE money, zounds of billions coming here. Oh please!!
A TRUE success is what happened in Greece, this country TRULY evolved, in Spain only happened that the richest ones are in the government, so tehy don't make nasty things to crash a non-friend government.
Also, great success? What about the "tiny increase" in land value? The use of social money excedent to avoid the deficit?
In this good economically period they had a perfect moment to reestructure the social money to benefit people of more 55 years and widowed people, what they have done for them? Nothing...
PP is a crap, and is not just my opinion.
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Giancarlo
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Los Angeles
Apr 2000
time: 02:24
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Originally posted by XarXo
What a JOKE!! The "revival" affected ALL the countries from 1995 till 2000!! The "New Economy" and the asian problems focused the productivity in the two western blocks (UE & USA), I can assure that PP has NOTHING related with this "success". We just were the cheap one in the expensive area, so all the external inversion went here. Also, don't forgot the "minor" UE money, zounds of billions coming here. Oh please!! |
You don't know what you are saying. I suggest you look at the statistics, unemployment was 15% on 1996. This year unemployment fell below 9%.
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A TRUE success is what happened in Greece, this country TRULY evolved, in Spain only happened that the richest ones are in the government, so tehy don't make nasty things to crash a non-friend government. |
Says the 12 year old.
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Also, great success? What about the "tiny increase" in land value? The use of social money excedent to avoid the deficit? |
Says the 12 year old.
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In this good economically period they had a perfect moment to reestructure the social money to benefit people of more 55 years and widowed people, what they have done for them? Nothing...
PP is a crap, and is not just my opinion. |
Says the 12 year old.
That is just your opinion and only your opinion. The PP is doing a lot for Spain. Like taking GDP per capita up to the level of other European countries with tough fiscal policy and financial restructing reforms.
Try to refute that.
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yaroslav
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Madrid, Spain, Europe
Jun 2001
time: 06:24
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Originally posted by XarXo
Just visit: http://www.aznar.net (I believe that there's an english version)
And, a party MUST be a good one, if we start to admit deficient things in our govern this will decay in total anarchy.
We have to remember that "NORMAL" could be a synonim of "BAD" too... |
Dear Xarxo, I had visited the web you put the link to. Yes, they point out some PP mistakes and failures, but, in my humble opinion, you can say
PP is cr*p
if you that any other party in Spain is cr*ap. I don't believe that PP is worse that PSOE, CiU or any other party on government.
So, yes the PP is a NORMAL party, and, if you want, NORMAL=BAD, but all parties in Spain are NORMAL
[Well, excep the Falange, Batasuna and others that support violence]
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XarXo
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of the "I agree"
Jul 2000
time: 05:24
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Why they are a crap:
-PRESIDENCY-
-Aznar is simply stupid. Laughs like a donkey. Always angry faced, is like a clown or the typical one that want capt all the attention, like a new-rich. Always is a bad impression.
-AUTONOMIES-
-An idea that the fact that 28% of population doesn't speak spanish is only because they're a poor amount of idiots. Curiously they produce more than 65% of the country money...
-A "only the ones that are mines" vision, this focused the small no-Madrid inversions in autonomies like Valencian Country and Galicia (and still insuficient).
-Demonization of the PNB (basque nationalist party), this create an impossible governability in an entire autonomic territory. Note that PNB won the elections after a rude campaign over them.
-DIPLOMACY-
- They have an infantil vision of the world: Good and Bad.
-They made some antinatural alliances (USA, Great Britain) and create tension in areas that started to be naturally assimilated (Gibraltar).
-They put Spain UE position as an infiltrated more than a member, when was Germany the main protector and inversor in Spain, now is the great enemy.
-Arabs probably doesn't ignore us, this is bad because the GREAT IDEA OF SPAIN was STAY NEUTRAL, this benefied it to become a "EVERYBODY IS INVITED" ideal country. We have an important down in arabian inversions (and they are very rich, bud!)
-ECONOMY-
-Unemployement fall to 9% yes, but the main problem is the precarity of these jobs. We have by far the biggest rate of unestable employment of the UE (and is by far larger that the tourism variations create). What will happen in an economical crisis?
-PIB is related to the privatization of large monopolies like Telefonica, when they privatized these industries they put a friend in top of the firm, these movement of capital increased the money in private hands, but the capital is all concentrated in one hands.
-Latinoamerica expoliation is also a *GREAT IDEA* of PP proposal to "expande the borders industry", this caused to control monopolies in this countries, but without the idea to avoid the economical problems that NOW we are having. Look Argentina, Argentina Airlines AND specially Repsol-YPF.
-The centralist vision of statal inversions is destroying the small capitols of autonomic territories in exception of Barcelona (this city is 4 millions and a half, Madrid is 5, but Barcelona-Catalonia generates twice the money of the Capitol). This situation forced the economy to stay in a bi-polar city vision than a multipolar (the second is more expensive, yes, but the idea is that in a future these cities are as rich as the others, and the people doesn't have to migrate out of their territory, also generates more money than just two cities, and this products more socialand economical benefits).
-Industrial growth: UE subvension + Foreign inversion (repeat: the good & cheap one in the UE group). I want see what happens with POLAND and the other inside  .
- GDP s greater, but by far less divided. Less people es by far more rich than the medium. Destruction of middle class of small and medium firms. (let's to see what happens with the elimination of the commerce tax to them).
-ECOLOGY-
- Simply: "Prestige".
- A total fault of innovation in new energy research, the biggest inversions in them are made by autonomical governs!!
- Total impunity in ecological errors (in Valencian Country the rivers are sewers).
- Aznalcollar: Chronical of the biggest deltaic natural park in UE destruction (But I have to say that PSOE is a big responsable here too).
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There are thousands of reasons, but these are some of them. Don't reply this post, I leave the thread (I don't like this kind of bad karma in my life  )
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Kramsib
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Father and protector of PROGRESSIVE GAMES, SANTANDER, Cantabria, España (Spain), Unión Europea (European Union)
Sep 2001
time: 06:24
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Excuse me Fez, but I cannot allow you to say so many silly things.
First of all, thank PP for 13 % of unemployment.
Of course, it is very low now, ... better, it WAS very low some time before, but let me tell you a thing, do you know what kind of jobs were made since then?.
Temporary jobs man, with low wages.
Let me show you a thing, 800.000 people are living with a second mortgage, thank you PP.
We have an enormous oil band in the northern coast, thank to your dear PP, they are liers, thiefs, and ... ouf!, whatever.
Thank PP for the rising prices, for the labour reforms, bla, bla, bla.
Thank PP for those houses which are impossible to afford. Because it is imposible for a man to buy a house in Spain, Fez.
Thank PP for supporting George Bush in his irrational fight against Saddam, that is what we need an irrational war.
Tell me Fez, do you believe in everything you are told about PP?
Do you now what happened with the Euro coming?
Do you now about The Prestige sinking?.
Oh please, don't be a fool.
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