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Giancarlo is offline Giancarlo
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But what about the police "public decency" edicts that still exist?

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BUENOS AIRES, Argentina (Reuters) - Legislators in Buenos Aires on Friday granted legal status to gay and lesbian couples, allowing benefits such as pensions and hospital visits in a move hailed as a first in Latin America.

After a noisy marathon overnight debate, the legislature voted 29-10 to legalize same-sex civil unions in a city of 3 million people that has a reputation as one of the most progressive in this deeply Roman Catholic continent.

The Argentine capital joined a handful of places, including some U.S. states and several European nations, that recognize legal status for gay and lesbian couples.

"We as a couple are going to register our union. We're undergoing a treatment for artificial insemination. We're going to have a baby and we want rights," said Maria Rachid, a lesbian activist who nervously watched the debate with her partner.

From the legislature's galleries, the law's supporters draped themselves in the rainbow-colored gay pride flag and chanted "equality, equality!," taunting a group of Roman Catholic militants on opposite sides of the ornate hall.

The law will cover insurance policies and health benefits covered by Buenos Aires's local government but it will not permit same-sex couples to adopt children nor marry in this nation of 36 million people. Nor will it cover people who live outside the capital or allow access to federal programs.

Teachers, hospital workers and administrative employees working the Buenos Aires government will benefit most by being given access to a range of local state benefits. It will also impact on the day-to-day life of couples.

"Before this bill a gay person would have trouble visiting a loved one in hospital because legally they would not be a family member," said Roque Bellomo, a ruling party legislator who voted for the law.

"Now Buenos Aires has become the first city in Latin America to pass such a law and we hope it is only a first step," he added.

Similar bills have failed in Colombia, Mexico
Buenos Aires, known as the Paris of Latin America with its boulevards, cafes and vibrant cultural scene, has long seen itself as a beacon of European enlightenment in the continent.

While in much of Latin America a macho culture dominates and gays are frowned upon, in Buenos Aires there are gay activist groups, bars and parades.

In neighboring Chile, for example, even divorce -- let alone gay civil unions -- is illegal.

Similar bills to grant legal status to gay couples have so far not prospered in Colombia and Mexico.

The Roman Catholic Church, which polls show is one of the most respected institutions in the country, had opposed the law in Argentina.

"I'm against this law because it will be the first step towards homosexuals adopting children," said Adela, a young woman who attended the debate.


Despite this progress, the police are still very abusive and this legalization could cause many city government politicans to lose their jobs when elections occur. The majority of people in Argentina unfornately do not support this.

Also read the bolded part... this was actually a half measure. Now the next thing to do is clean up police abuses.

Link: http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/ameri...reut/index.html

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Well, it's a step towards the better anyway

Giancarlo is offline Giancarlo
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Yes but will it last with the way people think around here?

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So when are you moving to Argentina ?

Giancarlo is offline Giancarlo
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So when are you moving to Argentina ?


I already live there and am moving out.

Boris Godunov is offline Boris Godunov
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So when are you moving to Argentina ?


If this was intentional, there is an astounding subtle brilliance.

But it's Sloww, so guess not...

Giancarlo is offline Giancarlo
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If this was intentional, there is an astounding subtle brilliance.


Or complete stupidity.

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Or complete stupidity.


Or maybe it's because he was confused by your astounding knowledge of American and Spanish political reality.

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Or maybe it's because he was confused by your astounding knowledge of American and Spanish political reality.


What are you talking about?

This thread is about Argentina, not the US or Spain. Please stop changing subjects.

Back to the topic.

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Ridiculous.

Giancarlo is offline Giancarlo
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Why is it that Boddy? This is progress but it will be backtracked in the future.

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Fez why don't you tell them all how you're not Argentinian...

he's French damnit! When will you people learn??

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Fez why don't you tell them all how you're not Argentinian...

he's French damnit! When will you people learn??


Don't ever compare me to the French... goodness... you want me to puke?

You are from Iraq right?

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I'm personally not affected by all this, but whether we like it or not, most semi-westernized countries will pass similar laws in the future.

To each his own.

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If laws like this are passed, we will see a swing to the right as the silent majority decide to start voting again rather than endure crazy policies like this one.

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Just a question: How can you be argentinian and a spanish nationalist? Is by far an incongruence.

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He's Argentine, Spanish, American, Fascist and Center-Right all at the same time.

It makes my head spin...

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Basically what they did is grant Domestic Partnership...but it is a step in the right direction.

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If laws like this are passed, we will see a swing to the right as the silent majority decide to start voting again rather than endure crazy policies like this one.


How is a policy legalizing unions between people in love a crazy policy? In fact, why should the government even be involved in situations involving sex between consenting adults?

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He's Argentine, Spanish, American, Fascist and Center-Right all at the same time.

It makes my head spin...


You yourself are not an fool, but that remark was. I have nothing to do with Argentina. And I am not american.

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Just a question: How can you be argentinian and a spanish nationalist? Is by far an incongruence.


I am not argentine, **** it, you people are so blind. Oh I was just looking at your profile, you are 10 years old?

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If laws like this are passed, we will see a swing to the right as the silent majority decide to start voting again rather than endure crazy policies like this one.


You are partly right. The people in Buenos Aires never supported this progress infact are staunchly against it. That is actually quite unfornate.

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are you pro-gay rights fez?

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are you pro-gay rights fez?


Yes I am. I am also a realist.

Saint Marcus is offline Saint Marcus
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You do know that gay rights is a left wing policy, while conservative right wingers are against it.

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You do know that gay rights is a left wing policy, while conservative right wingers are against it.


How dare you even accuse my beliefs of having any leftist policies in them!

Who gives you the right to say which policy belongs to what?

Gay rights don't have to be leftist. There are right-wing parties that support them.

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Pro-gay and spanish nationalist, , I'm SURE that this is an incongruence.

You know that in Franco's period gays were executioned?

PS: I'm 12.

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Pro-gay and spanish nationalist, , I'm SURE that this is an incongruence.

PS: I'm 12.


Incongruence? Big word for a 12 year old.

And why do you care about my political beliefs? I am proud of my country.

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Gay rights don't have to be leftist. There are right-wing parties that support them.


Name one!

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Name one!


Well... umm... I will have to get back at you for that one.

But I will make this point: I do not have any leftist or center-leftist policies in my beliefs.

 
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