15-12-2002 06:47									#91
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Hey, why are you ignoring my retorts about how little you know the Argentine population mindset eh?

	15-12-2002 06:48									#92
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Fez, do you speak spanish?

	15-12-2002 06:50									#93
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quote: Originally posted by Plan Austral Fez, do you speak spanish?

Yes sir. A few years ago I was falling back on my skills because I mostly spoke English, but after living in Latin America for so long it came back to me.

Ergo, look at my signature.

	15-12-2002 06:51									#94
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quote: Originally posted by Fez On the request of the topic starter: I want this thread locked. Apparently it has gone off topic.

Ok. I apologyze to all Apolyton members that were insterested on the topic of this thread. I said that I would halt the off-topic, but when I see the last Xarxo post, I need to reply.

	15-12-2002 06:53									#95
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Don't apologize yaroslav.

It isn't you.

My message was directed at two other people here causing problems.

But this has gone too far... I am talking about A-r-g-e-n-t-i-n-a, that includes you Awrence.

	15-12-2002 06:54									#96
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quote: Originally posted by Fez Okay. You did it. Because of irresponsible people here, attempts to keep this thread on topic have failed. As the thread starter I have now pushed to have this thread closed. Also Kramsib (I don't know who you are, or what you stand for... apparently the PSOE) here is something to look at: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm...212131029000381 Thanks for the PP making Spain have prosperity, and lowering unemployment to 8.99%. And BTW, George Bush is not fighting terrorism illogically.

No, no, I don't support PSOE, in fact, I voted PP last elections, but I cannot believe in a party which lies to the people. Which says, there won't be inflaction with the Euro coming, zas, 4 % of inflaction, and then they say, it was because of the Euro coming that we have inflaction. Oh please...

Rajoy has said, 17 experts suggested us to take The Prestige out of our coasts. SER radio station asked to those 17 same experts and demonstrated that they said the contrary. So Rajoy is a big lier. Fraga was hunting when The Prestige was sinking, a too big error for a too great leader.

And I am a student of Economics and I can tell you that I know more of "Spanish Prosperity" than you. Let me tell you where will go our prosperity when Eastern countries enters the Comunity and the European Founds dissapear from our counts.

In fact, Spanish economy is focused on Tourism and not in industry which is the motor sector of a strong economy, a Tourism which is highly damaged because this ecologic tragedy, remember that.

	15-12-2002 06:55									#97
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ENOUGH OF THIS DAMN G-A-R-B-A-G-E!

THIS IS THREAD IS ABOUT ARGENTINA, NOT SPAIN OR ITS ECONOMY! A-R-G-E-N-T-I-N-A!

GET THAT INSIDE YOUR HEAD KRAMSIB!

THIS IS NOT ABOUT YOUR FALSE BELIEFS!

	15-12-2002 06:59									#98
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You still haven't replied to my retorts, Fuzzy Fezzie. Or is it Fuzzy Fezzy? Maybe I should start a poll.

	15-12-2002 06:59									#99
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Yaroslav don't worry, this thread was bound to go downhill since it WAS started by Fez. Too many anti-Fezzes take pleasure in attacking him that they will willfully thread-jack a thread, killing it as quickly as possible. Unfortunately, Fez sometimes (or most times depending on which side of the fence you sit) makes it too easy to go after him. Likewise, he does have a tendancy to join in thread-jacking as well, further putting himself in others' crosshairs.

Fez, I'm sorry to see your well-meaning, well-intentioned thread die such a death, but you're doing the right thing in asking for it to be closed. You simply have too many people willing to go after you no matter what you do or say. My apologies...

	15-12-2002 07:01									#100
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Excuse me Fez, but I am not speaking about beliefs, I am speaking about facts, statistics.

Unemploiment is increasing. From 9 % to 13 % of course that is a courious increasing.
Prices are rising. I can say you that there is a 4 % of inflaction and growing.
Poverty is increasing. I can give you some data.
Inequality is growing up. I could give you some Giny index.

And about Argentina, let our Argentinians friends give you the answer.

	15-12-2002 07:02									#101
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quote: Originally posted by DRoseDARs Yaroslav don't worry, this thread was bound to go downhill since it WAS started by Fez. Too many anti-Fezzes take pleasure in attacking him that they will willfully thread-jack a thread, killing it as quickly as possible. Unfortunately, Fez sometimes (or most times depending on which side of the fence you sit) makes it too easy to go after him. Likewise, he does have a tendancy to join in thread-jacking as well, further putting himself in others' crosshairs.

Thank you, Drosedars. This thread has an interesting topic, so I hope it will continue. And the important thing is not why start the thread, but what the people write inside it.

	15-12-2002 07:02									#102
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Unemployment is not increasing.

Prices are not rising.

Poverty is definitley not increasing.

Inequality is not going up.

Edit:

Close this thread, please.

	15-12-2002 07:04									#103
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I will make this one last request: Any mod, please close this thread. It is getting out of hand.

I am tired of it.

Awrence, okay... I didn't know how your people feel about this issue... I think I Will never know anyways.

	15-12-2002 07:06									#104
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That's all it took, thank you.

	15-12-2002 07:06									#105
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quote: Originally posted by Fez Unemployment is not increasing. Prices are not rising. Poverty is definitley not increasing. Inequality is not going up. Edit: Close this thread, please.

That's what PP says, Of course.

No hay peor ciego que el que no quiere ver.

WHAT ARE YOUR PROOFS?

	15-12-2002 07:09									#106
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Kramsib, leave this thread before I pull my hair out. You are driving me nuts.

	15-12-2002 07:10									#107
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Fez, do you really consider Argentineans macho gay haters?

I dont think so..
In my opinion we are very liberal, for example, if we compare ourselves with other latin american countries, that tend to be more conservative and with very influential clergy.

	15-12-2002 07:13									#108
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quote: Originally posted by Plan Austral Fez, do you really consider Argentineans macho gay haters? I dont think so.. In my opinion we are very liberal, for example, if we compare ourselves with other latin american countries, that tend to be more conservative and with very influential clergy.

Well then, I got a wrong view about Argentineans.

	15-12-2002 07:13									#109
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NO ME TOQUES LOS WEBOS MUCHACHO.

YOU DON'T LIVE IN SPAIN, YOU DON'T KNOW ANYTHING, YOU DON'T STUDY ECONOMICS, AND WHAT YOU SAY IS SENSELESS.

In other words, go out and came when you have brain in your head.

Please, leave your Spanish flag before you leaving, you are not worth to wear it.

	15-12-2002 07:15									#110
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.........

Post Reported.

Thanks a lot for almost driving me to the point of tears...

	15-12-2002 07:16									#111
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Kramsib, che, tranqui man.

	15-12-2002 07:18									#112
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Well, he is saying that nothing is happening in Spain, everything goes super well, that is to say that the sun doesn't bright upon our heads.

Y déjame decirte chaval por donde me paso yo tus Post Reported.

	15-12-2002 07:20									#113
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Just stop... don't say anymore... I don't want to press this any further. I have my views. Please, just respect them. And I will respect your's.

	15-12-2002 07:27									#114
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Ok, I will respect you, but don't lie to me. Give me evidences.

Here you are, prices are rising.

quote: La desviación de casi dos puntos sobre el objetivo de IPC costará al Estado 2.071 millones de euros La leve subida de los precios en noviembre con respecto al mes anterior hizo descender la tasa interanual hasta el 3,9%, casi el doble del 2% objetivo del Gobierno. Esta desviación del 1,9% sobre la previsión oficial acarreará un coste de 2.071,70 millones de euros por la actualización de las pensiones.

From El Mundo Newspaper.

http://www.elmundo.es/elmundo/economia.html?1039919228

	15-12-2002 07:28									#115
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quote: Originally posted by Fez ......... Post Reported. Thanks a lot for almost driving me to the point of tears...

Fez, I spat the coke I was drinking all over the monitor while reading this, you owe me 75 peso cents, that is like 20 cents of a dollar.

Why dont you download this, it is an mp3 from a radio, quite funny, Tuti Fruti gay.
http://www.mediosregistrados.com/mp3.php?download=2280




Kramsib, calmate un poco che, contemos todos hasta 10 y respiremos profundo 2 veces.

	15-12-2002 07:29									#116
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Kramsib: Hey, I gave you a link. I will search down the site mentioning unemployment... give me some time.

	15-12-2002 07:38									#117
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http://www.britchamberspain.com/esp...oken.FRCodi=116

quote: Spain's unemployment rate fell to 8.76 percent in May from 9.58 percent in April, data from the Labour Ministry showed on Tuesday. The number of people registered as jobless at government labour offices in the month fell by 47,281 to 1.59 million. The quarterly unemployment survey by the Economy Ministry gives a higher jobless rate - 11.47 percent in the first quarter.

	15-12-2002 07:52									#118
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Ooops, I was wrong, is not 13 % it is actually 11% but it is growing Fez.

Of course, unemployment dicreases in Summer, our country depends on tourism.

quote: La tasa de desempleo creció en 79.800 personas en el tercer trimestre de 2002 hasta alcanzar un 11,4% de la población activa, frente a un 11,1% en el trimestre anterior, indicó este lunes el Instituto Nacional de Estadística (INE), dependiente del ministerio de Economía. Según el comunicado emitido por el INE, el número de parados en España se sitúa en los 2.106.100 personas, tras este aumento del 4% registrado entre los meses de julio y septiembre. En el mismo periodo, el número de personas que consiguieron un empleo aumentó en 116.200 para un total de 16.356.900 personas, mientras que el número de asalariados subió en 168.000 personas hasta un total de 13.263.000. La tasa de actividad subió en medio punto hasta el 54,31%, según el comunicado. Por Comunidades Autónomas, los mayores incrementos en el número de parados se produjeron en Andalucía (49.500 personas) y Madrid (21.000). (11/11/2002)

From:

http://www.portal-local.com/tutr_no...sp?parametro=82

	15-12-2002 07:54									#119
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More information here.

quote: Últimos datos Estadística -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Periodo -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dato -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Variación en un año -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- IPC general 11/02 3,9% IPC armonizado (España) 11/02 3,9% IPC armonizado (UE) 10/02 2,1% Producción Industrial 10/02 -0,1% Precios Industriales 10/02 1,6% Indice Costes Laborales 2ºT/02 4,6% CNTR. PIB 3ºT/02 1,8% -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- EPA. Tasa actividad -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3ºT/02 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 54,31% EPA. Tasa paro 3ºT/02 11,41% --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

http://www.ine.es

	15-12-2002 11:43									#120
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Sorry to butt in, but I just wanted to point out that we now have seen Fez get beat in a debate by a 12 year old