18-12-2002 19:51									#31
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It only disproves the timescales.

	18-12-2002 19:55									#32
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"How can you not believe in evolution?"


Like this. . . La! La! La! No evolution! La! La! La!

	18-12-2002 19:56									#33
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quote: Originally posted by TheStinger It makes people who think the earth is 6000 years old look pretty stupid, bu then again so do alot of things

Disproving creationism is easy, my point was disproving creationism does not, ergo, prove evolution.

	18-12-2002 19:57									#34
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quote: Originally posted by Sagacious Dolphin Disproving creationism is easy, my point was disproving creationism does not, ergo, prove evolution.

Ergo, read my post correcting myself.

	18-12-2002 19:57									#35
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I dont believe in evolution any more than I believe in creation.

	18-12-2002 19:58									#36
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quote: Originally posted by MikeH It only disproves the timescales.

If you want to do that there are much better things than C-14, which only prove the world is at least a few tens of thousands of years old. Look at stars that are billions of years old.

	18-12-2002 20:00									#37
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quote: Originally posted by Sagacious Dolphin If you want to do that there are much better things than C-14, which only prove the world is at least a few tens of thousands of years old. Look at stars that are billions of years old.

Or Ice core drilling. It goes back millions and millions of years. But you are right, the stars is a good way to make creationists look quite foolish.

	18-12-2002 20:00									#38
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I know.

I wasn't the one that suggested it, I was just commenting about what you couldn't prove with it.

	18-12-2002 20:04									#39
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I knoe there are creationist types on Poly but is there anyone who thinks the erath is only 6000 (or similar) yaers old

	18-12-2002 20:05									#40
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If there are can they all line up so we can point and laugh at them.

	18-12-2002 20:12									#41
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quote: Originally posted by TheStinger I knoe there are creationist types on Poly but is there anyone who thinks the erath is only 6000 (or similar) yaers old

I believe the Earth is only ~25 (cosmic) years old.

	18-12-2002 20:16									#42
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Carbon dating, ice core samples... All those come back to an omnipotent being for a young earth creationist. God pushed the 'fast forward' button on his creation remote up until Adam and Eve...

	18-12-2002 20:17									#43
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quote: Originally posted by Sagacious Dolphin I believe the Earth is only ~25 (cosmic) years old.

WTF is a cosmic year

	18-12-2002 20:37									#44
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1/25 of the earth's age!

	18-12-2002 20:46									#45
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quote: Originally posted by TheStinger WTF is a cosmic year

The time taken for the sun to orbit around the galactic center.

	18-12-2002 20:48									#46
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were not talking a few weeks then

	18-12-2002 20:58									#47
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You FOOLS!!!

You do not realize that the world is not even a microsecond old!

YES!

With every decision made, with every action that has the probability of more outcomes a universe is created and the past is destroyed. Infinate universes exist in the phase space of the present but the multiverse doesn't hold the past because time is a dimension that folds on itself unlik other dimensions! Which means by the time you read this I will never had typed it!


BAH HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA!!!!

	18-12-2002 21:06									#49
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aahz_capone, you're so very wrong. The universe won't even be created until the middle of next week. Currently it is all just a simulation in God's supercomputer...

	18-12-2002 22:15									#50
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quote: Originally posted by vulture aahz_capone, you're so very wrong. The universe won't even be created until the middle of next week. Currently it is all just a simulation in God's supercomputer...

Really? What OS is he using? because I've come across some FUBAR stuff recently.

	18-12-2002 23:26									#51
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I am all for a rational position on the evolution debate, no matter what the faith. How can you stand strong in a wind of unsurmountable fact?

	18-12-2002 23:31									#52
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"A wind of unsurmountable fact?"

Eh?

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I'm being poetic. It's not a pretty sight when a scientist gets poetic

	18-12-2002 23:46									#54
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quote: Originally posted by CyberShy - My common sence says it makes no sence. All this beauty on this earth appeared by random change? By usually damaging mutations? Nah....

I really have to single out this comment for laughter. Anthrocentrism at it's funniest. "Gee, all of these things couldn't be here by chance, so it that proves God!"

First, you have no evidence that the earth isn't here by chance, so the first half the sentence is an unfounded assumption. Second, your relying on such a subjective notion of "the earth is so pretty" is silly, as that's an opinion. Certainly there is also a lot ugliness, imperfection and such in the world, which goes against your theory.

The mutation statement just shows you don't really know how evolution works.

	18-12-2002 23:48									#55
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quote: Originally posted by SpencerH I dont believe in evolution any more than I believe in creation.

So do you also not believe in the Theory of Relativity any more than you do Voodoo witchcraft?

	18-12-2002 23:51									#56
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Evolution: The best answer so far that science has come up with.

Creationism: An ancient opinion which may or may not be true. In any case science cannot be either for or against it, rather just ignore it.

	19-12-2002 00:18									#57
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov So do you also not believe in the Theory of Relativity any more than you do Voodoo witchcraft?

To me thats a reversal of what I meant earlier. I dont believe in evolution, but I do understand it as a scientific theory. I dont believe in creation (at all).

In your comparison I would say that I believe in relativity since I dont truly understand it as a scientific theory (at least not in the way I understand the theory of evolution) but I do accept that experts do understand it. Voodoo is anoda ting man! I dont believe in Voodoo. Tis real! (Just not magic).

	19-12-2002 00:32									#58
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The Theory of Evolution is just that... a theory. There are no facts to prove it.

	19-12-2002 00:35									#59
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As opposed to, say, Creationism, which has oodles of evidence that supports it.

A scientific theory, like evolution, has supporting evidence and can be used to make predictions. When evidence contrary to the theory is presented, then the theory is modified or replaced by a theory that better fits the evidence. Creationism has a dearth of supporting evidence and cannot be used to make predictions, and in fact there exists a great deal of evidence that directly contradicts Creationism (particularly the more fundamentalist varieties of it).

Claiming that evolution is wrong "because it's just a theory" merely demonstrates that the person making the claim doesn't understand the scientific process. Gravity is "just a theory," fer cryin out loud.

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	19-12-2002 00:38									#60
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quote: Originally posted by FNBrown The Theory of Evolution is just that... a theory. There are no facts to prove it.

Which, as we have established in this forum many times, is a completely false statement on the part of Creationists. There is an abundance of physical evidence for evolution. There is more physical evidence for evolution than there is for many theories that are accepted as scientific fact today. The fossil record is quite, quite large.