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Asher
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Calgary, Alberta
Nov 1999
time: 22:24
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Originally posted by monkspider
I think there is a real social pressure for girls to be either bi or lesbians in this society right now. Thus creating the "lipstick lesbian" phenomena of girls briefly experimenting with lesbian behaviour in their high school or college years. |
Huh?? 
There's social pressure for girls to be bi or lesbians in society?
Just when I thought I'd seen it all.
Last time I checked, the social pressure was to be straight. You know, what with common sense and all...
I wanna know where you got the idea that there's social pressure to be a lesbian...
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Originally posted by Boddington's
I agree. It's also being seen in males as well, especially in left-wing cliques who, desperate to prove their trendiness through "tolerance" and "individuality", announce that that they are bi.
Pretty pathetic really. You're one or the other. |
God...I don't even know what to say to you.
You're a stupid, stupid, stupid, small little man, Spink. That's about all there is to it. 
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Rufus T. Firefly
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is one way of saying it, though I prefer "mensch"
Sep 2000
time: 07:24
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Originally posted by Sikander
Usually children who take big stands on their sexuality at such an early age have some serious troubles. While I completely agree with the sentiments expressed here that people should be left alone and their choices in life respected, there may be more here than meets the eye. If not, then leave her alone. |
You know, straight kids at that age can go absolutely apesh!t about there straightness -- dressing sexy, expreimenting with sex, talking endlessly about sex (and breasts in particular, if I remember the 7th grade correctly  ), and no one ever says they're making a big issue of their sexuality. But let a kid say "I have sexual feelings, and they're same-sex," and suddenly their making an issue of it. 
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monkspider
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banned
Aug 2001
time: 23:24
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Originally posted by Asher
Even if it is the case for some people, labeling it as a "phenomenon" or even implying that it is a very common practice is made completely out of ignorance and misunderstanding. |
Well, it's all semantics of course, but the percentage of "cool kid" lesbians is probably quite a good bit higher than it has been in years past, so it probably creates a "phenomenon" of some degree.
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It's usually just an easy way to dismiss it, like Boddington's has done, I haven't seen anyone who claimed to think liberally ever try to use the "peer pressure" excuse for homosexuality/bisexuality before, and I just find it disturbing is all
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I don't mean to seem dismissive or somehow illegitimatizing your sexuality in any way Asher. I apologize if it seems as if that has been the case. Really any evidence of peer pressure in sexuality simply pproves is that sexuality is a much more fluid thing than we have typically thought in the past.
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People don't seem to comprehend how enormous the pressure NOT to be homosexual/bisexual is since they don't take much note of it when they ARE heterosexual, and suddenly it's much easier to take note of any slight "pressure" to be homosexual.  |
You're right of course that heterosexuality is of course the default position for people sexually. But there is a certain pressure for some girls to experiment with a sexuality that they likely would have never experimented with otherwise. It isn't necessarily bad, and it isn't the root cause of all homosexual behaviour (or even most). But it is, nonetheless, a substantial factor in many cases.
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Park Avenue
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Liberal and defender of freedoms for the people
Oct 1999
time: 05:24
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Originally posted by Rufus T. Firefly
You know, straight kids at that age can go absolutely apesh!t about there straightness -- dressing sexy, expreimenting with sex, talking endlessly about sex (and breasts in particular, if I remember the 7th grade correctly ), and no one ever says they're making a big issue of their sexuality. But let a kid say "I have sexual feelings, and they're same-sex," and suddenly their making an issue of it. |
Yes, and they are messed up as well.
I'm not discriminating here.
Asher,
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There's social pressure for girls to be bi or lesbians in society?
Just when I thought I'd seen it all.
Last time I checked, the social pressure was to be straight. You know, what with common sense and all...
I wanna know where you got the idea that there's social pressure to be a lesbian... |
In British society definitely. And I'm not making across-the-board generalisations, I'm saying that it's in certain leftist cliques that this behaviour continues, in order to prove I don't know what.
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Rufus T. Firefly
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is one way of saying it, though I prefer "mensch"
Sep 2000
time: 07:24
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Originally posted by Boddington's quote:
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Originally posted by Rufus T. Firefly
You know, straight kids at that age can go absolutely apesh!t about there straightness -- dressing sexy, expreimenting with sex, talking endlessly about sex (and breasts in particular, if I remember the 7th grade correctly ), and no one ever says they're making a big issue of their sexuality. But let a kid say "I have sexual feelings, and they're same-sex," and suddenly their making an issue of it.
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Yes, and they are messed up as well.
I'm not discriminating here.
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Hmm. That means that every single boy, except shy little Jeffrey Sandburg, who attended Gemini Jr. High School in the years 1974-76 was messed up. Surely that's some kind of record. Although it does explain a lot... 
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Sikander
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Boulder, Colorado, United Snakes of America
Jan 2000
time: 22:24
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Originally posted by Rufus T. Firefly
You know, straight kids at that age can go absolutely apesh!t about there straightness -- dressing sexy, expreimenting with sex, talking endlessly about sex (and breasts in particular, if I remember the 7th grade correctly ), and no one ever says they're making a big issue of their sexuality. But let a kid say "I have sexual feelings, and they're same-sex," and suddenly their making an issue of it. |
Being sexually active at 13 whether you are straight gay or whatever is a warning sign IMO. I think that you will find a much higher incidence of sexual abuse in children who are sexually active at that age. Taking a deviant position on your sexuality (I'm talking about what is socially acceptable amongst your peer group here, not making a value judgement) is even more of an eye-opener, as there is considerable risk involved for the person taking that risk in the unforgiving realm of Jr. High. My guess is that this girl has probably been sexualized via abuse or contact with peers who have been abused. Probably the former. Lesbianism is a great way to avoid dealing with those you fear (men) while still allowing yourself the ability to love and be loved, and for sex. If this girl has been abused, she may have become sexually aggressive and made her peers uncomfortable. A fairly high percentage of sexual abuse occurs between peers or near peers, at least one of whom has been sexualized and "acts out" on others.
I just spent the weekend talking to a woman who seduced 5 other girls when she was in high school who fits this profile exactly, as do a number of her friends who I also know and talk to. They identify themselves as lesbians or bisexuals, all were pretty seriously sexually abused, and all were involved in pretty heavy sexual activity on their own at pre-pubescent or barely pubescent ages. Anyway, if this girl is like them, then she may constitute something of a danger to the other children who would be better off developing at their own speed in their own way. I have no way of knowing what the particulars are in this case, just wanted to say that perhaps these liberal Californian people have some reason for their actions other than simple homophobia, and perhaps their reasons are being kept secret in order to protect this child. They could just be pigs though as you allege.
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