25-09-2003 03:38									#331
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Tiger?? I heard well? TIGER??? Thanks!!!! I'm very happy!

	26-09-2003 02:11									#332
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Hmmm... the tiger is halfway there, Pablo I'll do my best.
The Puma and the Mi8/17 Hip exit the hangar, the second Hippie is for Afganistan :
I may do a remake of the Hind to match this one...

Since both Spain & Morocco have Pumas, I painted a basic French one and I'll go look for camo schemes in the web.

Beer and unit design don't mix.

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	26-09-2003 02:53									#333
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Now we're talking Tanelorn. Fantastic

	26-09-2003 03:22									#334
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Tanelorn...how I can thank you all your effort? This si amazing!!

One question not regarding the unit creation: How you guys would develop the role of a transport airplane (Like the Hercules) or a transport helicopter (like the Puma)? I was thinking about the trade role and treating all squares like roads, but they won't fly over the sea...Is there another way to implement it?

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I don't think so. And I can't see a way...

Try opening a new thread with this question, maybe somebody will be able to help.

	26-09-2003 03:43									#336
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Gracias Now I remember...the Amphibious Shermans of Second Front were able to go both by sea or by ground...I'll take a look at SF's Rules.txt....

	26-09-2003 03:45									#337
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quote: Originally posted by Pablostuka One question not regarding the unit creation: How you guys would develop the role of a transport airplane (Like the Hercules) or a transport helicopter (like the Puma)? I was thinking about the trade role and treating all squares like roads, but they won't fly over the sea...Is there another way to implement it?

You'll have your problems. Read this excellent article by Kobayashi.

	26-09-2003 04:05									#338
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Some gorgeous copters, Tanelorn...Another triumph!

	26-09-2003 04:06									#339
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Thanks, Catfish

	27-09-2003 02:10									#340
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A Spanish Super Puma and a Moroccan Puma.

The darker a unit is, the more crap one can get away with, cause the detail doesn't show= The French Puma still looks better, imho.
The Tiger PAH5 will be in black and green, which is good.

Thanks, everybody.

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	27-09-2003 03:21									#341
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tanelorn...I have no words...

	27-09-2003 04:17									#342
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There is a Tiger in Crises, which I'd be quite happy for somebody to modernise (seeing how everything else has already been covered).

	27-09-2003 04:34									#343
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Are you sure? I've checked my Crises scenario units, and I can't see any helicopter...:dknow:

	27-09-2003 07:00									#344
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It's not in my version of Crises either, but anyway here it goes:

& it's PAH2 actually, PAH1 being the BO105...

I think we already have half a Ka50 in this picture, but that may have to wait a bit...

"Tyger Tyger burning bright, In the forests of the night, What immortal hand or eye, Could frame thy fearful symmetry? "

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	27-09-2003 09:56									#345
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Nice work tanelorn

Is there any chance that you could do the chopper in Australian colours? We've ordered about 20 of them, with deliveries begining late this year.

Here's a picture:

	27-09-2003 13:46									#346
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Thanks Case. Sure, commin' up. For a modern Australian scenario, perhaps?

	27-09-2003 16:20									#347
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An Australian scenario would be great. What's it going to be about, East Timor?

BTW, Case, what armour do the aussies use? Leo 1, M113 and ASLAV? I hear that they are shopping for a replacement MBT now.

	27-09-2003 16:25									#348
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There you are. I adjusted the nose a bit, to make room for a gun.

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	27-09-2003 16:33									#349
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Don't mean to be presumptious Case, but if you are indeed making an East Timor scenario, this could be of some help. I once entertained the very same idea and tried my hand at modifying some units.

None of the work is mine. Credit should go to curtsibling and danny evilcat. With your superior skills they would look better. From left: Indonesian Kopassus commando, an ADF guy with a hat.

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	27-09-2003 16:34									#350
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Whoops, I read some where that the Indonesians don't even use AK-47s, they use FN FALs. Heh heh. My mistake.

	27-09-2003 17:07									#351
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...and the Australians use F88 Steyr rifles.

	27-09-2003 19:35									#352
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Great work, tanelorn...you did an excellent creation!!!

	27-09-2003 21:38									#353
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This just gets better and better!

	27-09-2003 21:56									#354
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C-130 Hercules! I've done the Spanish grey camo version (You can use it too for the USAF and RAF, for example)...Moroccan camo version is on the way!

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	27-09-2003 22:22									#355
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Fabulous work, guys! Pablo, the Hercules is excelent.

Gareth, may I mess with your paton a bit? I basically want to fit the M47 turret on the same hull.

	28-09-2003 05:10									#356
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That's fantasitic tanelorn! Thanks a lot.

Likewise, thanks for thes units Typhoon. The Australian soldier is rather out of date though - the slouch hat has only been worn on formal occasions since the Korean war, and Aussie troops now wear camoflauge - see www.army.gov.au for pictures.

quote: Originally posted by typhoon An Australian scenario would be great. What's it going to be about, East Timor?

Urm, maybe...

quote: BTW, Case, what armour do the aussies use? Leo 1, M113 and ASLAV?

Yep, that's about it. Australia has about 50 operational Leo 1s, 300 M-113s (which are being modernised), and the ASLAV fleet is being increased from 111 to about 200 (a second recon regiment is being equiped with them). 300 'Bushmaster' infantry mobility vehicles (ie, armoured trucks) are going to be introduced over the next few years, with most of them going to the Army Reserve.

quote: I hear that they are shopping for a replacement MBT now.

It's a little bit hush-hush at the moment, but it looks like the government has given in-principle support for the aquisition of Leopard 2 tanks from Germany. The current chief of the Army is commited to the project, and the tanks are available at a very modest price. Personally, I'm all for it - the Leo 1s are deathtraps and I don't feel that it's right to ask soldiers to go to war in them.

	28-09-2003 05:49									#357
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quote: Originally posted by Case Yep, that's about it. Australia has about 50 operational Leo 1s, 300 M-113s (which are being modernised), and the ASLAV fleet is being increased from 111 to about 200 (a second recon regiment is being equiped with them). 300 'Bushmaster' infantry mobility vehicles (ie, armoured trucks) are going to be introduced over the next few years, with most of them going to the Army Reserve.

So theoritically we can kick your ass any time!

quote: It's a little bit hush-hush at the moment, but it looks like the government has given in-principle support for the aquisition of Leopard 2 tanks from Germany. The current chief of the Army is commited to the project, and the tanks are available at a very modest price. Personally, I'm all for it - the Leo 1s are deathtraps and I don't feel that it's right to ask soldiers to go to war in them.

Leos 2 is what we bought.Excellent tanks.

Leos1 a deathtrap? Never heard that before.A friend of a friend served in an armoured division with Leos1 and he had only good words to say for them.
But we use a special made version of Leos 1A5 customized for the Greek army. Although i think the customization only applies to their tracks....i am sure Tanerlorn can shed more light here.

	28-09-2003 06:24									#358
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Ahem. Greek custom made Leopards are based on the Leo 1 A3, (welded turret) with better electronics (a better MOLF etc.) We also got Leo 1 A5's from Germany because of the weapons limit treaty, and the sub contracts and finaly we got the Dutch Leo 1 V's because of the kortenaer deal, I think. These 1V's have a different cast turret.

In all, I think its about +/- 100 Leo 1 GR, 200 Leo 1V and 60 or 70 Leo 1 A5. I could be wrong, its what I recall.

We won't have to go that far to kick anybody's behind, even if we don't wish to, Pericles. We are in the world's most quarelsome neighborhood.
Remember the rhyme by Savopoulos:
Its the Balkans here...
Meanwhile, here's some opposition:

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	28-09-2003 06:49									#359
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Po, po!

kai nomiza oti ego imoun o monos kamenos pou kathetai mexri tis teseramisi ston ipologisti tou!!


My hypothetical confrontation of an Australian-Greek conflict was obviously based purely on the relative OOBs of the respective armed forces in paper.

Actually now i think of it the Greek army must outnumber and outgun many more economically stronger nations....

I remember reading a list of the top 20 most defence spending countries(did i say that right?) and we ranked sixth or seventh or something like that....

USA,Turkey, North Korea, South Korea, Taiwan were above us i believe.


Pfff.... i must stop reading all those ancient warfare history books and get back in touch with the modern world......

	28-09-2003 07:07									#360
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I know, it's time to
The verse in my sig says it all...
They're all insane, BTW, or it just happens to me?
The eternal universal question.
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