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Actually, I am still alive and as a matter of fact, what a coincidence, I was looking into making a new version of River War.
And now suddenly after a while I check Apolyton again, and what do I see? I see a whole load of fantastic and amazing professional units that are actually created for the scen.. Wow... And even some extra's, like Abbysinians, which is a nice idea to put in.
What's more? Oh yes, the labels.txt prevents you from playing it under MGE. Just delete it, and apart from a few little texts that are incorrect it should work fine. Also you could have some problems with some experimenting I did in RiverWar.txt. Remove the file altogether too, or remove the line "columns=2" and "width=640" and it all should work fine under MGE, apart from the scoring system. (I might decide to make some nice spreadsheet for the scoring)
The gunboats? Well, I did quite some research, but this was the best I could find from some pictures and some models.
And how to beat the French? Well, there's a trigger waiting for you just beyond the island before Fashoda. It triggers and creates some French units on the next turn. Then you have one more turn to move before the french units can move (after you). All in all, you should have enough time, if you have 2 ships with units, to destroy the trigger (better make it the first movement of a unit so that he can hurry on afterwards), bombard the city, capture it and fortify it before the French attack. It's all a question of speed really.
The rail engineers was a natural idea that came from the real history. All was dependent of the railway, and the strategic decision of Kitchener to build it from Wadi Halfa directly to Abu Hamed instead of the easier road from Dongola to Wad Hamed is still visible on the maps of the Sudan nowadays, because this rail line is still there. I tried to force the human either of these "desert railways", quite formidable achievements actually, instead of just following the Nile by creating some very hard to cross and very long to rail-through "unstable ground". Also the same at spaces around the cataracts to prevent ugly graphical faults, if you try.
Oh sure it was a walk in the park, especially with the forces that were available. It wás a huge army for that time. But don't forget that some earlier attempts failed and that General Gordon's death caused quite a shock in England.
Last of all, Fairline, I am very grateful for the amazing units you made, but could I be so rude to ask you a little more work? I would really like a Maxim gun and a Camel Corps unit in the same style.
Hmm.. Maybe I should open a new thread on this subject some time, cause I am highjacking this thread.
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who was once King for a week.
Jan 2001
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but when I'm doing them for other people it seems to take an eternity. |
Consider your pay halved!  Like I said, when you actually have an EA readme in hand, then you can feel guilty.
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Actually, I am still alive and as a matter of fact, what a coincidence, I was looking into making a new version of River War. |
Hurray! 
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The gunboats? Well, I did quite some research, but this was the best I could find from some pictures and some models. |
It's pretty tough to dig up stuff on these boats. There's a lot of contradictory info on and off the web - the poor Melik gets called a paddlewheeler on some sites an a guideblade twin screw boat on others. Even Featherstone's "Omdurman" has an error on p21, calling two different boats the Fateh.
From this mess, it seems that there were >4 classes of gunboats used by Kitchener: - Unarmored, lightly armed steamers used for transport - Dal, Kaibar, Akasha (possibly side-wheelers).
- 'Old' Stern-wheeler (from 1885?) - Abu Klea, El Hafir/El Teb, Metemma, Tamai
- 'New' Stern-wheeler (1896?) - Fateh, Nasir, Zafir
- 'Newest' twin-screw (1897?) - Sultan, Sheik, Melik
http://www.melik.org.uk/gunboats.htm, also this pic:
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Sep 2002
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You can usually chalk those up to the Europeans simply underestimating their enemy and charging in thinking that just because they were white, christian, and suposedly civilized; they could surely beat any defense those bloody savages could offer. I can only think of a couple examples that prove otherwise and they all involve the French foreign legion. That's just what I believe though. |
Absolutely. The classic case of the two extremes of European versus African warfare occured within a single day or so in the Zulu-British War. The British thought that the Zulus were savages who would easily be defeated , and a mixture of complacency, bad tactics, confusion over who was in command and technical problems with their rifles played into the hands of the Zulu Impi. The Zulus were in fact contenders for the best trained army in the world at the time, and what they lacked in effective modern weapons they made up for with high discipline, good tactics, bravery and morale. Something like 1300 from 1700 of the British troops at Isandhlwana were killed in the resulting defeat. The next day, a force of 140 or so well-led British troops in a well-prepared defensive position at Rorke's Drift held off a force of 4000 Zulus from the main Impi, accounting for 500 of them despite the bravery and superior numbers of the Africans.
When the European forces were well-led and made the most of the superiority of their weapons, they usually inflicted heavy losses on African armies; but like Custer and the Sioux if they were complacent and underestimated their enemy it often led to a bloody defeat.
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Palaiologos
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Constantinople, Queen of Cities
Aug 2002
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Sorry people i was not trying to offend anybody.
As for Greece i think you might have gotten the wrong picture. There is no word equivelant for nigger in our language. The word we use "arapes", derives from the word "Arab" (araps). The Saracens(Arabs) and Turks were called like that up to the 1920-30s and generally all dark skinned people(Egyptians too). It was not considered a demeaning word. Even in official byzantine documents and literature the word was used.In modern literature too.
You see there are hardly any of these people in our country and there is not much sensitivity for these matters. When one speaks of them as niggers (or arapades) he doesn't do so because he hates them but simply because that is the first word that comes to his mind.
Most Greeks are actually fond of negroes, they are considered gay people and funny. They are perhaps the only immigrant group that causes no friction among the local communities(not that any would marry his daughter to one of them though). That is in contrast to the Albanians that most Greeks hate.
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WarVoid
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Scenario League
Apr 2000
time: 05:16
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Seems i'm a little late in getting a notice of this.
And not to defend the racist remarks, but in English, i'm sure we would'nt pay much attention to the use of foreign slang, such as untermensch. Judging by Palailogos' posts, I presume he truely didn't mean to be inflammatory with his remarks.
Just as for me, arapes is considered foul language in Arabic. But for 99% of the people here, it's just another word.
Regardless, the use of racial slangs is not to be tolerated. And that goes as a warning to anyone. No matter what language you speak.
Ming - If you happen to have a chance, please CC me that PM so I can remain abreast of any responding actions you are/will be taking. If it's too private, then just CC me what actions you're taking, if any. Thanks.
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14-07-2003 14:15
. BTW, I've nearly finished the armoured cars for EA
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