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im alone now.
that slime cheated on me again.
i kicked his ass to the curb.
but how do you do this alone thing
im not good at it.
i wake up in the middle of the night and
theres no one to tell me it will be ok.
im afraid of it.
i have to be strong and not give in again.
i can't forgive that bastard anymore.

help.

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sloww, take charge of the situation

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Originally posted by boann
im alone now.
that slime cheated on me again.
i kicked his ass to the curb.
but how do you do this alone thing
im not good at it.
i wake up in the middle of the night and
theres no one to tell me it will be ok.
im afraid of it.
i have to be strong and not give in again.
i can't forgive that bastard anymore.

help.


This may not help, but if it does, print it out and keep it by your bed for when you wake up in the middle of the night:

It will be OK.

The first few nights are always the hardest. And if you give in... it will be just as hard the next time, or harder. And the cycle won't end....

We've all been there, haven't we. That may not help either, but if others get through it, so can you, boann. Hang in there

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Things always work out.. way or another.. in the end it'll be ok.

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that slime cheated on me again.
i kicked his ass to the curb.


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thanks

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no one ever feels good after something like this, yet we all seem to get through it, you will too

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Observation One: He's a cheating ******.
Observation Two: You deserve someone much better.
Observation Three: The sooner you get this cheating ***** out of your life, the better you will be.
Observation Four: Sure it hurts a lot now, but it'll hurt even more if you wait, backslide and/or waffle.
Observation Five: We're all here for you.

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Observation One: He's a cheating ******.
Observation Two: You deserve someone much better.
Observation Three: The sooner you get this cheating ***** out of your life, the better you will be.
Observation Four: Sure it hurts a lot now, but it'll hurt even more if you wait, backslide and/or waffle.
Observation Five: We're all here for you.


'nuff said.

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yes , i keep telling myself all those things.

im a forgiving , soft hearted person and i know we are all human
and make mistakes and yield to temptation sometimes
and i did forgive him before..
but there comes a time to stand your ground.
and not be soft.

i choose to be alone no matter the cost or hurt rather than disrespected.

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well I'm not really one to give advice. But I can understand your situation. Just be strong.

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Nah, don't be strong. Being strong is holding it all in and that often accomplishes nothing. Tell us all about it. We're here for you. Tell us what he did to you, why you can't stand him, why you wish it hadn't come to this, why you miss him, what he's going to do to your dreams, what you hpe for in your future, and what you fear in your future. Tell us all that and more, as much as you want.

Having said that I gotta go to work now.
No, really, I do.

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are you serious or just making a joke
i don't know.

all of you that posted have been really kind

but since not many posted here i
just assumed no one really is much interested

naa i think you're teasing me

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are you serious or just making a joke
i don't know.

all of you that posted have been really kind

but since not many posted here i
just assumed no one really is much interested

naa i think you're teasing me


Well I'm serious, I have to leave in 2 minutes. I'm leaving you in the capable hands of the rest of the 'poly guys. Enjoy.

Try reading the "Holiday Tunes" thread. It's quite entertaining.

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Well, I care about how you are doing

and think you did right

but I am not sure how I can help

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by being strong I don't mean hold it all in.

Being strong is standing up for yourself and not letting people treat you like that. You are worth more.

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just assumed no one really is much interested

Don't know if I can talk for the rest of us but it's just that I really don't know what to say. Just saying "hang on" or "it's going to be allright in the end" just sounds kind of lame so I just didn't say anything. When I was in a similar situation I hated it when people reacted that way...

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well you can all answer this one question for me then

why does a person cheat ?
why do they if they say they don't love the other person?
why would they risk everything for someone they don't love and say they still love the one they hurt?
why would they do it over and over and still expect to be forgiven ?

is it because society as a whole doesn't seem to think it matters and that its ok?

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well you can all answer this one question for me then


Wouldn't that be five questions?

On the first four, my first reaction (not knowing both you and him) would be that he didn't really love you in the first place...

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well you can all answer this one question for me then


Wouldn't that be five questions?

On the first four, my first reaction (not knowing both you and him) would be that he didn't really love you in the first place...



yeah i guess my one question was WHY
and it evolved into more ....

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is it because society as a whole doesn't seem to think it matters and that its ok?


No, it's not society's fault and it's certainly not your fault: it's HIS fault that he's a cheating ****.

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yeah i guess my one question was WHY
and it evolved into more ....

Hehe, happens in these kind of situations. I know... Or should that be ?

But about the WHY, I must admit I haven't a clue...

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and even now after this 3 year off and on affair he claims is not love...........
hes begging me to take him back , telling me he loves me with tears and conviction and that he will never see this person again....

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hes begging me to take him back , telling me he loves me with tears and conviction and that he will never see this person again....


Can't he come up with anything more original than that?

He'll only cheat on you again, you know?

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its what i keep saying....
whats different about this time?
how can i possibly trust you ?
a year ago i gave in and gave him another chance.
i said then it was the last time and i said it to him more than once.

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im alone now.
that slime cheated on me again.
i kicked his ass to the curb.
but how do you do this alone thing
im not good at it.
i wake up in the middle of the night and
theres no one to tell me it will be ok.
im afraid of it.
i have to be strong and not give in again.
i can't forgive that bastard anymore.

help.


(a) Good for you, you go, girl!

(b) The alone thing is really not that tough - it's all about perception and years of conditioning. Men and women both, but women to a greater extent than men, are often viewed as "less" when they're unattached, and a lot of this BS is self-reinforced. The whole "loser" "can't get a date" sort of stuff, the millions of magazines and talk show crap and books about getting someone, keeping someone, all that contributes, so you have to work on redefining the way you see things.

(c) Look at how many women ooh and aah over that horseshit "You complete me" line in Jerry Maguire. Unless you're the other person's kidney donor , nobody has ever completed anybody. If you're not a whole person on your own and independendent, you won't won't be a whole person due to your being in some form of a relationship.

(d) That whole "I need somebody" thing is like putting antlers on your head and painting red and white target rings on yourself and going to munch grass in the woods on the first day of deer season. It exudes off of people, and most anybody with their act together thinks "needy, clingy, dependent, God please let me get out of here before he/she attaches to me like a barnacle, Oh my God NO it has TENTACLES arrrrrggggghhhh" . That's the reaction it triggers in a lot of mentally healthy people with a sane view of relationships. For predatory bastards and general low-life scumbags, it's just a sign that says "work me."

When you're happier and have things going for yourself on your own, then you're in a position to attract someone similar in that sense - you don't need each other, you enjoy each other for what you add to each other's lives.

(e) Even if you break down on weak days and think you do need someone, you can still tell yourself, "maybe so, but I sure don't need this *******." Sometimes they go away, but more often, they seem to crawl back and try to ooze there way in under a crack in the door. "I'm sorry honeybuns, I'll never do it again" Sometimes they paw the ground and shuffle, sometimes cajole, sometimes threaten, sometimes beg, sometimes do self-destructive crap with the "its all yer fault, I just can't live without you blah blah blah. It's all BS, it's all a game for control - the last thing this type of predatory scumbag wants to think of is you being strong enough to say "I don't need you around, I don't want you around, get the hell gone and stay there."

In the scumbag-predator's initial assessment of you, you were prey - easy to play with, easy to fool, easy to manipulate, nowhere's near as smart and clever as he was. Finding that no, you just suffered an error in judgment thinking he was more than he really is, and actually being nice, believing in human goodness, loving, etc., but you really are smarter than he is, and you're a lot stronger than he thought - well, that's just real ego-deflating for these bastards. So sometimes they slink off, sometimes, they keep trying to work you. No matter what, and I don't give a damn if he gets his ass run over by a truck, that's too ****ing bad for him, he blew it, and you're moving on with your life. End of story - you stick to your guns, period, move on and do better for yourself.

(f) If you don't have one, get a dog. They provide body heat, you can teach them some manners, they love unconditionally and they're loyal.

For answers to your last question, see (c), (d) and (e) in this post. Cheating is age old, but then it used to be almost uniformly legitimized with polygamy.

Why - well, it's often a form of sport. Like compulsive shoplifting to see what you can get away with.

Love rarely has anything to do with it - it's more about self-gratification.

They're not risking everything, (look at Clinton) - they believe they're in control of everything and everyone and count on their ability to manipulate their way around it. (look at Clinton skating)

They "expect to be 'forgiven'" because it's about manipulation. They're in control, they're smarter than everyone, they can work things - this just isn't sexual, it's the whole panoply of manipulative behavior and games - (look at Clinton and Nixon) Some people get off far more on power games than sex - but it's the same mental processes involved.

I don't think most people give a fair damn what society as a whole does or doesn't think matters. People do what they think matters. I mean, how many people here really think "Oh, I feel like taking a shotgun and blowing my neighbor's head off, but society would be sort of uptight. Prisons are full of people who don't give a damn about rules and consequences, and as this year in particular showed, so are corporate boardrooms.

Most people do or don't do things because of internalized rules and wants, not because of external constraints.

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i said then it was the last time and i said it to him more than once.


If you loved him them giving him a second chance was probably worth a shot .... unfortunately he has proved himself to either be 1) not in love with you, or 2) a total idiot ... perhaps both.
In either case kicking him to the curb was a good idea.

You know your situation better than any of us, but from here it looks like he's run out of chances.

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I don't know why people cheat. I'm sure there are plenty of people out there who never would. To me, it's not a hard thing to avoid and the relationship damage would obviously last longer than the pleasure. The only way I can imagine it becoming tempting would be if I had gotten to a stage where I really didn't care at all about my wife and her feelings or if I had decided to end the relationship, but was too cowardly to initiate it.

As for whether cheaters should be forgiven, the obvioius answer is no, but you have decide what's best for you under the circumstances.

Good luck, Boann. I hope this is not as bad for you as it reads.

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are you serious or just making a joke
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all of you that posted have been really kind

but since not many posted here i
just assumed no one really is much interested

naa i think you're teasing me


Personally, since you're not an angsty teen, feel free to post if you want. Not many people people posted so far probably because this is a more "adult" relationship situation than most of the OT population has any experience with.

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and even now after this 3 year off and on affair he claims is not love...........
hes begging me to take him back , telling me he loves me with tears and conviction and that he will never see this person again....


Amazing the ability some people have to summon tears on command. Did you ever see Jimmy Swaggart's "Forgive me, ah have sinnnnnned" sermon on TV?

It's like a two-year old with a cookie, but two-year olds don't have malice, just a limited ability to negotiate for what they want. The adult version has no excuse.

 
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