28-12-2002 22:10									#91
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look what you gone and done!

	29-12-2002 01:53									#92
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Kata is not supposed to be effective in combat...

	29-12-2002 01:56									#93
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few more minutes till the K-1 finals are on.

	29-12-2002 02:02									#94
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Aerts (NED, 72-9-1, kickboxing) vs Sefo (NZL, 40-9-1, kickboxing)

	29-12-2002 02:25									#95
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goddamn referies...2-1 decision in favor of Sefo. hardly seemed fair.

Sapp (USA) vs Hoost (NED)

	29-12-2002 02:35									#96
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WTF. Sapp won. damn. Hoost almost had him in round one. Sapp is one pathetic fighter...hardly any technique, just power.

the good thing is, Sapp got injured and can't fight the next fight. So Hoost goes to the next round anyway.

Hunt vs Leko

	29-12-2002 02:56									#97
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Hunt won

Musashi vs LeBanner

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	29-12-2002 03:04									#98
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LeBanner won.


semis...

Hoost vs Sefo

	29-12-2002 03:23									#99
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Sefo had beaten two dutchmen (Yvel, Aerts) en route to semis. Ironic that in the end he lost to the third dutchmen, Hoost.

LeBanner beat Hunt.

final match: Hoost vs LeBanner

	29-12-2002 03:47									#100
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Hoost won!


anyway. David, do you think that a JKD master can't become the world's best MMA fighter? (someone like Lee, but a size bigger. Lee's a pretty tiny dude).

	29-12-2002 05:59									#101
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Pekka,

I don't have a blue belt in BJJ. I never bothered with belt testing, and that sort of thing. Back when I trained in grappling a lot more, I was about that level of skill, though.

I hardly do BJJ anymore - mainly Valetudo. I'd get my ass kicked in a sport jiujitsu tournament, because I'm not used to gis, rules, etc.

SM,

I think anyone CAN become a worldclass fighter, regardless of official style. They just have to be good at techniques that work. Historically, traditional martial arts/JKD have not worked in MMA/NHB. Hence, in my opinion, it would be almost impossible for a traditional fighter to become a top flight fighter, unless they primarily used skills outside of their style.

	29-12-2002 17:06									#102
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JKD isn't a traditional martial art, nor a fixed style.

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	29-12-2002 18:49									#103
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Saint Marcus, WOw that was close! I almost read the results you posted earlier . I missed the finals, but I managed to get it on tape, so I'm gonna watch it tomorrow. Phew that was close.

	30-12-2002 02:59									#104
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quote: JKD isn't a traditional martial art, nor a fixed style.

Very true, and it's certainly much better than TKD, Kung Fu styles, Karate styles, etc.

I just don't think it's anywhere near as good as something like Valetudo.

	30-12-2002 04:08									#105
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quote: Originally posted by Jaakko Ya, but I have bad eyesight, especially when shooting at targets in rifle range! But I rule with a pistol (the FN hipowers we used were crapola though).

How old are those things? It's hard to hit with a gun that is worn out and loose.

	31-12-2002 16:31									#106
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Ok I just watched the K-1.. it was good but few things really left me thinking about japanese referees .

I mean the fight between Aerts and Sefo.. Now how the hell that went to Sefo?

The second one.. Sapp vs Hoost. Why did the referee stop the fight? Hoost was not in trouble, he was not taking a beating. He was pretty much dominating the fight, technically. He was in no trouble when Sapp got him to the corner and started pounding.
Left bad taste to my mouth.

And Mr Perfect again showed great skills, first Sapp broke his hand to Hoost, then Sefo broke his leg to Hoost, and then Le Banner injured himself to Hoost .
I mean you hit him, kick him, and still get injured..

I was cheering for Le Banner though.. Too bad he got injured, I think he was pretty much taking the fight, since Hoost got warned.. He was smashing Hunt, it was a miracle he didn't KO him.. anyway good event once again, the japanese can do these things better than anyone else.

	31-12-2002 20:06									#107
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quote: Originally posted by Sikander How old are those things? It's hard to hit with a gun that is worn out and loose.

Most of the rifles and pistols were 60s and 70s vintage, pretty much shot through. The Finnish army seems to have a policy of using the same batch of weapons for training until they wear out completely, then replace them with unused stuff from the armouries.

	31-12-2002 21:11									#108
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quote: I mean the fight between Aerts and Sefo.. Now how the hell that went to Sefo?

I didnīt understand that either. Then again, I may be biased since I absolutely detest Sefo and love Aerts.

quote: The second one.. Sapp vs Hoost. Why did the referee stop the fight? Hoost was not in trouble, he was not taking a beating. He was pretty much dominating the fight, technically. He was in no trouble when Sapp got him to the corner and started pounding. Left bad taste to my mouth.

It was a bad call indeed, right before the bell. Still it was Hoost's own fault. He was domating the fight agains the fat and slow Sapp, and almost had him down during the first round. I think Hoost got a bit too sure of himself and lost focus, because it isnīt exactly smart to let yourself by cornered by Sapp.

In the end the best fighter did go through though, Hoost went to the next round because Sapp was injured. and rightly so, Sapp shouldnīt have been there in the first place even. Ditto for Musashi, but the Japanese organisers want a minimum of one Japanese fighter present.

I feel bad for LeBanner. Heīs one of the best out there, yet has never won a K-1 Grand Prix. I was convinced he was going to win from the start, until he got injured in the final fight. Hats of to Hoost though. This is his 4th K-1 title already, more than any other fighter (Aerts is second on the list, having won it 3 times). Us dutchies are dominating.

	31-12-2002 21:21									#109
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LeBanner has never won? That's just plain wrong! Didn't know that actually, then again Hoost and Aerts wins them all.

I thought Musashi did ok, since I've been used to watch crappy japanese fighters in Pride, they always get their butts kicked . It's just a matter of who does it best, screams war shouts and acts brave. They're funny . But in no way he had any chance against LeBanner. He is just too explosive and good, strong and big, fast and great!

I might be little biased too, because I like Aerts and didn't like Sefo one bit. Still I think you can't say Sefo was better in any way.

I don't know what happened to Hoost in the fight against Sapp. First he was dominating it all the way, but in the second round he started exchanging strikes too close to Sapp, letting Sapp punch too. I don't know why he didn't just keep with the game plan and leash those furious leg kicks and fast combinations and move away.. I was waiting for lots of more leg kicks and maybe few kicks to the head, since Sapp was so tired he couldn't lift his hands to block. Maybe Hoost got tired too, I don't know but I was screaming 'What are you doing!? Nooo! Keep the distance!!'.. but then again he is one of the best, so what do I know .

	01-01-2003 14:25									#110
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