01-01-2003 05:44									#1
	I can't believe this is happening in the USA Enter the AD-FREE zone

I'm sure this was discussed here when they arrested the men in LA who came to register with the INS, but I wasn't around then. I need specific advice. My husband is now in the US illegally. We have applied for his green card, but it takes a year or so to get it. If he goes to "register," they're going to arrest him and ask to pay thousands of dollars in bail that we don't have. If we don't go register, they'll turn down his application which we already gave them six hundred dollars for. What the **** should we do? I can't believe this... Does it get any more blatant?! If you are a male from these countries come register? Where are our star of David patches?

	01-01-2003 05:49									#2
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quote: Originally posted by tandeetaylor I'm sure this was discussed here when they arrested the men in LA who came to register with the INS, but I wasn't around then. I need specific advice. My husband is now in the US illegally. We have applied for his green card, but it takes a year or so to get it. If he goes to "register," they're going to arrest him and ask to pay thousands of dollars in bail that we don't have. If we don't go register, they'll turn down his application which we already gave them six hundred dollars for. What the **** should we do? I can't believe this... Does it get any more blatant?! If you are a male from these countries come register? Where are our star of David patches?

So your husband is commiting a crime by being in the U.S. illegaly and your sorry if your being punished for it?

Pssst sorry to be rough, but being a human being dosent give you the entitlment to citizenship in the U.S.............

Your husband is not a citizen so you have no rights.....your husband is commiting a crime, which makes it worse.........

Sorry, have to speak the truth-even though it is rough .

	01-01-2003 06:03									#3
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quote: Originally posted by Vesayen So your husband is commiting a crime by being in the U.S. illegaly and your sorry if your being punished for it?

Oh puhleeeeeeeze. If he were truely trying to commit an illegal act dont you think he would never have even applied for his green card? Come on, this is a VERY lame excuse.

quote: Pssst sorry to be rough, but being a human being dosent give you the entitlment to citizenship in the U.S.............

Alright then, what does? Why can't simply being human entitle you to citizenship?

quote: Your husband is not a citizen so you have no rights.....

Who-hoo! Support the GREAT immigration laws of the good ol' US of A!

	01-01-2003 06:06									#4
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"Oh puhleeeeeeeze. If he were truely trying to commit an illegal act dont you think he would never have even applied for his green card? Come on, this is a VERY lame excuse."

Should of gotten a greencard first........



"Alright then, what does? Why can't simply being human entitle you to citizenship?"

Being a human being dosent entitle you to citizenship anywhere......you have to apply like everyone else to see if your wanted in that country(based on skills, familly already living there etc.....)

	01-01-2003 06:10									#5
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I have to agree with Vesayen... may not be right, but it's the law. It's silly to get hopping mad that your husband is in the country illegally and then you are shocked that he will be punished for it.

	01-01-2003 06:11									#6
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quote: Originally posted by Vesayen Your husband is not a citizen so you have no rights.....

What, a woman's got to be married to an american man to have rights?

	01-01-2003 06:13									#7
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quote: Originally posted by Osweld What, a woman's got to be married to an american man to have rights?

Damn right, just like Saudi Arabia!

Yes-that was a VERY embarasing typo....I ment that her husband is not a citizen so he has no rights.

	01-01-2003 06:14									#8
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quote: Should of gotten a greencard first........

And how could he have known that the US would turn into some sort of state with paranoid delusions? Again, the mere fact that hes even applying for his greencard means he WANTS to legally become a resident of the United States. Arresting him for that is stupid and we all know it.

quote: you have to apply like everyone else to see if your wanted in that country(based on skills, familly already living there etc.....)

But doesn't the United States want all civilized peoples of the world to come and be a part of the glorious multi-ethnic union?

Edit: And hes applying for his green card. Hes trying to do it legally.

	01-01-2003 06:16									#9
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Stop trolling Tassadar... there is no major country on Earth that doesn't limit immigration!

	01-01-2003 06:16									#10
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My understanding is that nearly all who were arrested a couple of weeks ago were released soon afterwards (with the exception of those with serious immigration offenses/other criminal charges).

	01-01-2003 06:17									#11
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Stop trolling Tassadar...

Please don't talk to me about trolling Imran....

quote: here is no major country on Earth that doesn't limit immigration!

No, but arresting people who are trying to become immigrants it taking it slightly too far

	01-01-2003 06:18									#12
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Arresting people who are ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS is done by every country!

There is no law that says illegal immigrants cannot be arrested if they are applying for citizenship. They are still illegal immigrants.

	01-01-2003 06:19									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Arresting people who are ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS is done by every country!

But you see imran, hes APPLYING FOR HIS GREEN CARD! HES NOT TRYING TO BE AN ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT, HES TRYING TO BE A LEGAL ONE. He didn't come in to plot terrorist attacks. He didn't come in just because he wanted to screw with the INS. He came in because he wants to be a legal resident of the United States of America.

And now will he get arrested for it?

	01-01-2003 06:20									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Tassadar5000 Please don't talk to me about trolling Imran.... No, but arresting people who are trying to become immigrants it taking it slightly too far

He is already in the country illegally, now if he HAD a card that expired, or a work visa, then there is a difference, but she didn't say whether he had those or not.

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	01-01-2003 06:20									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Osweld What, a woman's got to be married to an american man to have rights?

Noncitizens have plenty of rights but a right to abode without legal documents isn't one of them. Typically persons who marry citizens are expected to fill out their applications before entrence into the country. Filling them out afterwards often means you are in the country illegally and thus can be fined, imprisioned, or deported depending upon the severaty of the offense and the mode of the Judge hearing the case.

	01-01-2003 06:21									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Tassadar5000 And how could he have known that the US would turn into some sort of state with paranoid delusions?

So that makes it ok to knowingly do something illegally?

"Oh, I didn't think I would be caught" isn't an excuse, even if the government overreacted.

	01-01-2003 06:23									#17
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quote: Originally posted by Tassadar5000 But you see imran, hes APPLYING FOR HIS GREEN CARD! HES NOT TRYING TO BE AN ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT, HES TRYING TO BE A LEGAL ONE.

Tass: I am glade that he has decided to cease commiting crimes and resolve his legal status, however, the fact remains that his has commited a crime and it is fair that he be asked to pay the penalty for his past offenses.

	01-01-2003 06:23									#18
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Apparently trying to do the right thing in the United States has so little value that now you'll be arrested for it. And thats outrageous.

This thread is quickly turning into a repeating parrot thread so I'm going to bow out and hope someone else can convince you people of this.

	01-01-2003 06:24									#19
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quote: Originally posted by Tassadar5000 But you see imran, hes APPLYING FOR HIS GREEN CARD! HES NOT TRYING TO BE AN ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT, HES TRYING TO BE A LEGAL ONE. He didn't come in to plot terrorist attacks. He didn't come in just because he wanted to screw with the INS. He came in because he wants to be a legal resident of the United States of America. And now will he get arrested for it?

If I want to go to a police department to report a crime, is it ok for me to steal a car to get there?

Not a perfect analogy, but simmilar enough.

	01-01-2003 06:25									#20
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quote: HES NOT TRYING TO BE AN ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT, HES TRYING TO BE A LEGAL ONE.

But he still broke the law and is continuing to break the law by staying in the United States without a green card. Are you asking the INS to ignore the law because he is trying to get his green card?

You can ask Congress to change the law, but I'm not going to want the INS to ignore any law it doesn't like.

	01-01-2003 06:28									#21
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quote: Originally posted by Tassadar5000 Apparently trying to do the right thing in the United States has so little value that now you'll be arrested for it. And thats outrageous. This thread is quickly turning into a repeating parrot thread so I'm going to bow out and hope someone else can convince you people of this.

So basically, you lose so you aren't going to fight anymore?

I left you a lot of openings to agreement and you refused any of them.

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	01-01-2003 06:37									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Tuberski So basically, you lose so you aren't going to fight anymore?

No, actually I'm bowing out because (i'm going to simply be blunt) the Americans on this thread are showing their typical ignorance and the type of ignorance being displayed is unfortunately one that cannot be argued with. No matter what I argue, you will continue to have your same train of thought until I finally get exausted of arguing and then you'll simply claim victory. I've seen it over and over again on these boards.

How the mighty have fallen...Its truely a pathetic site. And yes, I know it'll completly enrage every American whos posted in this thread but to be quite blunt: I don't care. I'm moving on with what I percieve to be more important things.

Edit: Oh and one more thing: Suomi!

	01-01-2003 06:38									#23
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Tassadar, just go back to your toilet paper line and leave this to people who actually know something about democracy.
Freakin' Russkie.

	01-01-2003 06:40									#24
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quote: Originally posted by tandeetaylor I'm sure this was discussed here when they arrested the men in LA who came to register with the INS, but I wasn't around then. I need specific advice. My husband is now in the US illegally. We have applied for his green card, but it takes a year or so to get it. If he goes to "register," they're going to arrest him and ask to pay thousands of dollars in bail that we don't have. If we don't go register, they'll turn down his application which we already gave them six hundred dollars for. What the **** should we do? I can't believe this... Does it get any more blatant?! If you are a male from these countries come register? Where are our star of David patches?

hi ,

*husband* , ..... that should say it all , .....

have a nice day

	01-01-2003 06:40									#25
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I agree Imran. We must treat everyone equally but demand that everyone obey the law. That is the only way to maintain a civil society. If people oppose a certain law they are welcome to petetion the government to have it changed. This is what we do in a democracy.

	01-01-2003 06:41									#26
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quote: Originally posted by Tassadar5000 No, actually I'm bowing out because (i'm going to simply be blunt) the Americans on this thread are showing their typical ignorance and the type of ignorance being displayed is unfortunately one that cannot be argued with. No matter what I argue, you will continue to have your same train of thought until I finally get exausted of arguing and then you'll simply claim victory. I've seen it over and over again on these boards.

What ignorance is that? Ignorance of our laws?

I could spout crap about Russia too, that doesn't mean I know what I'm talking about.

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	01-01-2003 06:42									#27
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin I agree Imran. We must treat everyone equally but demand that everyone obey the law. That is the only way to maintain a civil society. If people oppose a certain law they are welcome to petetion the government to have it changed. This is what we do in a democracy.

On the other hand, if he is an illegal immigrant, how is he going to petition the government?

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	01-01-2003 06:42									#28
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I was watching an interesting debate last night on FOX. On one hand, one of the debaters was arguing that we needed to beef up the INS so that we could apprehend and deport the estimated 13 million illega aliens in the US. This person was obviously interested in controlling terrorism.

Another observed that this was not going to happen because there were too many economic interests tied up in having large numbers of immigrants in the US.

This is a political issue that neither the Republicans or Democrats want to address in a serious manner.

I think that we should consider an amnesty program once again so that we can get everyone registered. We need to do this for national security reasons.

	01-01-2003 06:44									#29
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They just did that crap for Mexicans. JUST DID IT.

	01-01-2003 06:48									#30
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quote: Originally posted by Tassadar5000 Apparently trying to do the right thing in the United States has so little value that now you'll be arrested for it. And thats outrageous.

It must be pointed out that almost no one ever gets arrested and imprisioned for long for immigration offenses. Most people who were out of complience with the law but whom are now volentarially trying to come into complience on with the law are given a slap on the wrist. The persons who get caught before they try to make amends are the ones who get the book thrown at them.