02-01-2003 22:49									#91
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Who cares if they dress slutty? I loved high school because of the way the girls' dressed. I definitely would have ditched more if I didn't have that to look forward to.

Anyways, you aren't their parents. It's okay to have opinions on their dress and to call the slutty (because they are), but don't (and I'm not saying anyone did) suggest they need to dress how you think they should. That's wrong.

	02-01-2003 22:50									#92
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"Shakira isn't too bad but Christina Aguilara has turned into a complete whore."

quote: Originally posted by jimmytrick Yeah, I wonder how Mickey feels about that.

Erect.

	02-01-2003 22:52									#93
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Wow, after reading page 2, it sounds like Speer wants to create a mandatory national uniform program... thank goodness he is insignificant and will never enact his fascist dreams

	02-01-2003 22:57									#94
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quote: Originally posted by SpencerH BTW Avril Lavigne doesnt fit into the same category as the others. Yes shes young (and female) but thats as far as any comparisons between her and the pop stars goes.

Not really. Her producers wanted her to be a Brittany-clone, but she said forget it. The point is that in most cases, these girls are not exploring their own sexuality, but are having their sexuality exploited by their managers. I don't have a problem with Brittany and her clones (aside from the fact that their music is insipid) but its their controlers that are a problem. Avril's apparently mature enough to walk away if she doesn't want to be barely-legal soft-core. (Apparenly she wants her next album to be more Nirvana-like.)

Speer, you have no clue what the suburbs are like. Sexuality is just as out of control in the suburbs as in the cities. The diffierence is suburban kids are more likely to use birth control or get abortions than drop out of school to raise their babies. Probably has something to do with the fact that one group thinks it has a future and the other doesn't.

	02-01-2003 23:07									#95
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The sad part about Christina Augiliera is, that she's got an amazing singing voice, and she's blowing it on shallow, putrid pop-tunes that have a shelf life of about 12 minutes, and has seemingly made the conscious decision to focus attention more on her body than on her talent. I think she'll end up on one of those "Where-are-they-now?" shows in about ten years, after a trip or two through various substance-abuse programs.

She'll make a terrific jazz/blues singer in another twenty years, though, after getting through this part of her life and mellowing out

	02-01-2003 23:09									#96
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Chegitz... as growing up in a suburban environment, I can attest to this. I think that education is the difference between urban and suburban birth rates, use of birth control, and abortion. Suburbs = rich schools = good sex ed... cities = poor schools = bad sex ed = people f*cking like rabbits with no contraception

But I'm not surprised Speer doesn't know this I don't expect much from him.

	02-01-2003 23:10									#97
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Not really. Her producers wanted her to be a Brittany-clone, but she said forget it. The point is that in most cases, these girls are not exploring their own sexuality, but are having their sexuality exploited by their managers. I don't have a problem with Brittany and her clones (aside from the fact that their music is insipid) but its their controlers that are a problem. Avril's apparently mature enough to walk away if she doesn't want to be barely-legal soft-core. (Apparenly she wants her next album to be more Nirvana-like.)

You're arguing my point for me. The record producer types (i.e. mindless scum) may have wanted another flash-in -the-pan pop-star but her lyrics show promise of more than that. Yes, others are also given credit on the songs, and yes the lyrics are jejune, but what do you expect from a 17 yr old.

	02-01-2003 23:13									#98
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optimus....genie in a bottle has survived throgh the years...12 minute shelf life isnt what christina aguilera's about.

I dont know if youve heard anythiung off of her new album..but most of the songs are awesome...

she does have a BEAUTIFUL voice and uses it well throughout the majority of the album...

shes a diva....a hoochie diva, but a diva.

Shes like madonna...causing controversy, making parents gasp...making feminists angry with their UNladylike style

Where is madonna now? same place christina is gonna be in 10 years.

*bows to madona and christina*

	02-01-2003 23:15									#99
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ya know...christinas producers wanted to keep her with the "pretty girl" look...and she told them "f8%$ pretty" and has chosen her own style

^5 xtina

	02-01-2003 23:15									#100
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SpencerH, oh sorry. My point is tangential, rather then opposed to yours. What I'm trying to say is that if she lacked the will to stand up to her record company, she'd be another Brittany clone. She could be one of them or they could be like her, which is why I think they share the same company, even if they are polar opposites.

	02-01-2003 23:16									#101
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quote: Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat Nice troll, Dookie. Once male actions get involved, then it's male "fault." Or responsibility, if you prefer that term.

What male actions are involved in "Shakira and her shaking"?

I'm not sure which is worse. Women mitakenly standing up for women is one thing, but sucky, gullible men doing the same is just ridiculous.

	02-01-2003 23:17									#102
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*barf and britney and her no talent a#@*

	02-01-2003 23:22									#103
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quote: Originally posted by FemmeAdonis Where is madonna now? same place christina is gonna be in 10 years. *bows to madona and christina*

Very few made-to-order pop stars make it more than a few years. I highly doubt Christina will even be in the same league as Madaona, let alone the same place.

	02-01-2003 23:25									#104
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Another reason to despise that pop culture - the short lasting of stars. If 2 years ago everyone would be going crazy on that Britney, now she's somewhere in the second rank of stars.

If Eminem is so damn popular now, I expect him to get less so again in a year or two.

	02-01-2003 23:30									#105
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Eminem, however, actually has some talent. He may be a heterosexist, but he's actually artisitic. He's kinda like Wagner in that way, repulsive politics but great music.

	02-01-2003 23:35									#106
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quote: Originally posted by SpencerH and yes the lyrics are jejune, but what do you expect from a 17 yr old.

She has professional writers to help her. They aren't her own lyrics.

	02-01-2003 23:44									#107
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quote: Eminem, however, actually has some talent. He may be a heterosexist, but he's actually artisitic. He's kinda like Wagner in that way, repulsive politics but great music.

He takes number one position in my most despised stars list. Not only this is because I hate rap, it's also because Eminem's lyrics are worse, I find them insulting, the music terrible, and the video clips disgusting to say the least.

	02-01-2003 23:45									#108
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quote: Originally posted by Apocalypse She has professional writers to help her. They aren't her own lyrics.

Whether she writes them alone is meaningless. She has writing credit on every song. How many artists can you name who write every lyric of every song?

	02-01-2003 23:47									#109
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quote: How many artists can you name who write every lyric of every song?

Most of the good old Russian bands that were damn popular in 80's, and still actually are. Like Aquarium with Boris Grebenschikov - and it's GREAT lyrics.

	02-01-2003 23:59									#110
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quote: Originally posted by Solver quote: How many artists can you name who write every lyric of every song? Most of the good old Russian bands that were damn popular in 80's, and still actually are. Like Aquarium with Boris Grebenschikov - and it's GREAT lyrics.

Keyword there being 'band'. So I wonder if you looked at the song sheets would there be a single name.

	03-01-2003 00:14									#111
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Solver, just because your artisitic tastes don't cotton to rap doesn't mean rap isn't an art form. It's poetry over a music collage, and some of it is pretty friggan amazing stuff. Just cuz you don't like it doesn't mean it won't be strong years from now. Rap's been around 30 years, it's not going away anytime soon.

	03-01-2003 00:16									#112
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30 years ?

	03-01-2003 00:20									#113
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I agree with Boddington's. Oh I got in trouble the last time I did that.

Stop blaming this on guys!! No one forces these girls to dress like this. We can't help it if we are turned on by women in skimpy clothes. No seriously we can't. Women think we have control over our hormones. I wish I did. I hate not having control. Why do 2 globs of fat and silcone excite me? The other day I was at a bar, and some older chick in her 40's was turning me on because she was showing cleavage. My mind didn't want to **** her, but my body did. I hate not having control over my body. This just proves that women have the power, not men. Why can no one see this?

	03-01-2003 00:20									#114
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It's only been in popular culture since Sugar Hill's Rapper's Delight, but the Blondie tune, Rapture was already borrowing from this genre a few years earlier. Rap originated in the early 70s, but didn't start getting recorded until the end of the decade.

	03-01-2003 00:23									#115
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quote: Originally posted by SpencerH Whether she writes them alone is meaningless. She has writing credit on every song. How many artists can you name who write every lyric of every song?

If they have help, then many times it's from members of their band.

	03-01-2003 00:29									#116
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Chegitz, where did I say rap will go? I said Eminem will.

	03-01-2003 00:29									#117
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I'm really upset at things said in this thread. You have people blaming me because I'm a male.

Nope, this is unacceptable. I draw the line. I don't even listen to that kind of music. I don't support Shakira in any way. I am not responsible for what she does.

In fact, I'm going to make a thread on it. Why is it that we don't expect women to take responsibility for their actions, but the same is expected of men?

Sure it sells more records and her producers/managers probably want her to dress sexy. But they aren't holding a freakin' gun ther her head!!!!!!!!!!!!! She made the concious choice to act like this. You guys act like men don't have to sell out to sell albums. They do it all the time. But someone will say- well they don't have to dress like a slut. Well if girls wanted us to dress in thongs and such. We would. We don't control what girls want. If women wanted to see men in thongs- you can bet that n' sync would be up there singing in thongs. Again, this is a choice they would make. No one would be forcing them to dress that way.

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	03-01-2003 00:31									#118
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Che,

you're right about Rapture. That was still very late 70's though.

Apocalypse,

True, but even bands with strong song-writers such as Aerosmith have studio help from non-bandmembers. If she had no real input her stuff would be the same schlock that the others make. IMO its not. Therefore, her input is the critical difference.

	03-01-2003 00:37									#119
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"The Christina Aug... whatever video involves her leaping on a guy, straddling him, and humping him... that is NOT grinding, contrary to what Black Dragon said... I have yet to see a girl leap on a guy while dancing..."

No I haven't seen that yet eihter. But I didn't know that was what had occured in the movie, all I heard is it looked like they were having sex with clothes on, which you will see at a party.

	03-01-2003 00:43									#120
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quote: Whether she writes them alone is meaningless. She has writing credit on every song. How many artists can you name who write every lyric of every song?

Sure, Bono from U2. Still going strong after 20 years