03-01-2003 01:14									#121
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Bono writes every lyric of every U2 song?

The credits from their first album

1. I Will Follow (Bono/Clayton/Edge [1]/Mullen) - 3:36
2. Twilight (Bono/Clayton/Edge [1]/Mullen) - 4:22
3. An Cat Dubh (Bono/Clayton/Edge [1]/Mullen) - 6:21
4. Into the Heart (Bono/Clayton/Edge [1]/Mullen) - 1:53
5. Out of Control (Bono/Clayton/Edge [1]/Mullen) - 4:13
6. Stories for Boys (Bono/Clayton/Edge [1]/Mullen) - 3:02
7. The Ocean (Bono/Clayton/Edge [1]/Mullen) - 1:34
8. A Day Without Me (Bono/Clayton/Edge [1]/Mullen) - 3:14
9. Another Time, Another Place (Bono/Clayton/Edge [1]/Mullen) - 4:34
10. The Electric Co. (Bono/Clayton/Edge [1]/Mullen) - 4:48
review 11. Shadows and Tall Trees (Bono/Clayton/Edge [1]/Mullen) - 4:36

	03-01-2003 01:40									#122
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hehehe.

	03-01-2003 02:12									#123
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quote: Originally posted by Albert Speer I know what yall will say... living in your great suburban world, you'll say let's just have the parents educate their kids or prevent them from watching the videos... try that here, mother****er... you think parents give a damn about their kids? Yall live in a fantasy world...

You know, this is just bullsh!t. I don't live in a fantasy world; I live in a real world where parents care about their kids. Maybe that's not your world, but don't you dare tell me it's not real; it's real,and it's a f*cking boatload of work to keep it that way. Sorry your world sucks, homey, but it isn't the only one out there; maybe if people in your world tried to change it, rather than sitting on their sorry asses, being resigned to "reality" and convinced everything else is "fantasy," maybe you could live in a better world, too.

Oh, and by the way, my daughter didn't grow up in suburbia; she grew up in predominantly black areas of Pittsburgh.

	03-01-2003 02:49									#124
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quote: Originally posted by Boddington's What male actions are involved in "Shakira and her shaking"?

Uh, duhhhhh, the male reaction / response to "Shakira and her shaking" or "women dressing like whores" etc.

Come on, you're a bright boy when you want to be.

This thread is a Speer troll, you know, the usual, like you used to be capable of. The whole social fabric is broken down because of women dressing like whores instead of like nuns, etc.

	03-01-2003 02:54									#125
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident I agree with Boddington's. Oh I got in trouble the last time I did that. Stop blaming this on guys!! No one forces these girls to dress like this.

Nope. They can dress however they feel like. Oddity in a free world, isn't it?

quote: We can't help it if we are turned on by women in skimpy clothes. No seriously we can't.

It doesn't matter if you can help it or not, or if you're turned on or not. It's when your state of mind translates to action (good, bad or otherwise) it becomes your responsibility. Until that point, what you think or feel is insignificant.

	03-01-2003 03:52									#126
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MtG:

How can you just assume what my point is... when I started this thread, I was simply asking why does sex sell to pre-teenage girls? I understand how it sells to guys but to little girls?!

Someone did answer it, however, saying that a sexual video causes men to watch MTV which sells MTV to a greater audience... that makes sense... I didn't understand why Britney Spears wanted to be slutty to sell to guys who would never buy her album but I understand now...

So don't assume I created this thread to say women should dress like nuns... of course, I am against women dressing slutty (especially women in the public) but that was not the point of this thread...


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	03-01-2003 04:31									#127
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Easy, Albert. You're such a predictable little troll:

"yes I know... all the coochie cutters and ****... but why do these women (or in some cases, girls) who are out in the media all the time and in videos and being idolized by young girls... why do they see the need to dress slutty? Why don't they be a role-model for not being a whore?"

No, you weren't asking why sex sells to pre-teen girls, you were criticizing women in the media for not dressing in a way you feel is appropriate.

For that matter, why not ask why women work as strippers, prostitutes, etc? It's obviously their greed and lack of morals. The people who create the market and the demand for the "product" have no responsibility at all.

	03-01-2003 04:39									#128
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MtG:

Actually, I'm more against the market than the suppliers... I have plenty of times on these forums said that I feel the drug users are at fault and the dealers are not (and that drug dealers should all be released upon completion of job training or starting the road toward a college education)... men should not be horny and buy into this ****... men are the main problem but women, by dressing just a little more conservative (AND not spreading the slutty dress to the young girls) would greatly help end this problem

	03-01-2003 04:42									#129
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Actually Speers original question wasn't a troll question. It was only later the thread went out of control.

I agree it does seem interesting that women like madonna and shakira dress sexy when their audience is probably over 90% women. But I explained why I think this is further up the thread. That was a valid question. And I hope it was answered for you.

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Speer, yer an idjit.

	03-01-2003 04:47									#131
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why, chegitz?

	03-01-2003 05:18									#132
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Entertainment Weekly sez Christina should put on some pants!

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	03-01-2003 17:25									#133
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quote: Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat Uh, duhhhhh, the male reaction / response to "Shakira and her shaking" or "women dressing like whores" etc. Come on, you're a bright boy when you want to be. This thread is a Speer troll, you know, the usual, like you used to be capable of. The whole social fabric is broken down because of women dressing like whores instead of like nuns, etc.

You haven't explained why it's male's fault for anything Shakira does.

	03-01-2003 17:37									#134
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It's ironic the way Speer is trolling. He doesn't stop to think that his own sexuality is causing him to have this problem with the way these women are dressing. If humans were devoid of sexuality, then the amount of clothing would be irrelevant. If I were a shrink, I'd say that Speer is not completely confident in his sexuality, and thus, when he sees a woman with little clothes on, he can't deal with it, so he attacks it. But, that's just my opinion .

	03-01-2003 17:52									#135
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quote: Originally posted by Boddington's You haven't explained why it's male's fault for anything Shakira does.

It's the male's fault for thinking there's something wrong with what she's doing.

	03-01-2003 17:56									#136
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quote: Originally posted by MikeH It's the male's fault for thinking there's something wrong with what she's doing.

	03-01-2003 18:01									#137
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I dont think there's anything wrong

	03-01-2003 18:43									#138
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There isn't but if someone thinks there is it's their problem not hers.

	03-01-2003 19:24									#139
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MikeH and his liberal allies are the reason why this country is going the pan with its teenage pregnancies, soft on crime and soft on asylum policies.

	03-01-2003 19:29									#140
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I don't know how much biology you did but watching a girl dancing wearing skimpy clothes won't make a teenage girl pregnant.

I suggest that you have me put up against the wall and shot with all my 'liberal allies' so that we don't let our naive concepts of freedom interfere with your utopian ideal.

	03-01-2003 19:33									#141
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OK, don't debate the issues then. Because you can't.

	03-01-2003 19:43									#142
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You haven't given me an issue to debate.

quote: MikeH and his liberal allies are the reason why this country is going the pan with its teenage pregnancies, soft on crime and soft on asylum policies.

What on earth in this post am I supposed to respond to? It's just a factless troll.

	03-01-2003 19:45									#143
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For liberals, freedom isn't accompanied by responsibility. There lies the problem.

	03-01-2003 19:57									#144
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I don't care what liberals believe, I know what I believe though.

You are making statements that have no relation to this thread in order to get a reaction. You still haven't actually made a point that needs a response.

In case you've forgotten or didn't understand I'll clarify my point that you ignored.

1. It's OK for Shakira, or any woman, to wear whatever she wants.
2. What a woman wears has no bearing on her sexual activity. ie. Wearing sexy clothes doesn't make her a whore anymore than you wearing a ManU shirt makes you Roy Keane.
3. If a man assumes that a woman is a whore because of what she is wearing, that's his problem, not hers. She shouldn't have to dress according to his standards for him to accept her as a person.

	03-01-2003 20:02									#145
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Ever heard of role models?

Seeing Shakira and her ilk act slutty is likely to encourage that sort of behaviour among her young female fans.

I can't see you defending Roy Keane for his actions and saying they don't matter, when he is clearly providing a role model.

	03-01-2003 20:08									#146
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quote: Originally posted by Solver Another reason to despise that pop culture - the short lasting of stars. If 2 years ago everyone would be going crazy on that Britney, now she's somewhere in the second rank of stars. If Eminem is so damn popular now, I expect him to get less so again in a year or two.

A good example of this is the UK pop chart: it's choc-a-bloc with winners and losers from various auditon shows, e.g. Pop Stars, Pop Idol and Fame Academy. A music station just said that one of the members of this years' Pop Stars band could be the new Gareth. Gareth Gates only became famous last year, so today's young stars are likened to performers who only became famous themselves a few months ago!

	03-01-2003 20:10									#147
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I missed the Shakira video where she was 14 and got pregnant. I just saw her singing and dancing.

If I was to blame the shooting of those girls in Birmingham on Roy Keane, 'cause he shows his violent side on the football field would you think it was justified?

	03-01-2003 20:12									#148
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No.

	03-01-2003 20:27									#149
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But it's justified to blame Shakira for teen pregnancy?

	03-01-2003 20:28									#150
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It's a factor.