14-01-2003 01:41									#31
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"Peace and security!"

All demagogy.

	14-01-2003 01:56									#32
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quote: turns into a political prositute

Now YOUR going to let yourself be ****ed by Israel too?!

	14-01-2003 02:01									#33
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Pity that Kach is banned? Not so bad... You can still vote National Union...
Or Likud for that matter, difference mostly in amount of lip-service paid to Reason

Pity about Hadash as Azazel said... Maybe I'd have vote Balad if I could (People's Democratic Union) but they're too nationalistic (arab) as well. Oh well what does it matter anyway - I've some three months to go till 18...
And I prob. wouldn't have voted anyway...

	14-01-2003 02:01									#34
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I am not ****ed up by Israel.

	14-01-2003 02:12									#35
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Balad is an arab nationalist party. "National democratic Party".
go ahead vote for them. I wouldn't be surprised if you vote for them. This isn't the least logical thing you ever said.

	14-01-2003 02:14									#36
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quote: Originally posted by Azazel I am not ****ed up by Israel.

Your not ****ed up by Israel, your simply ****ed by Israel

	14-01-2003 02:17									#37
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The Meretz doesn't seem to be that bad (except for the welfare state part ).

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Well, it's funny how they think that if Israel would come back from the territories, peace would immediately follow. their welfare agenda is cute but not smart. for example, they demand an increase in education funding, but this days education funding in israel per capita is actually one of the highest in the world. It's the poor organization and smartass "learn Math with building blocks" programs that caused us to drop in the ratings in the last 15 years. I know. I am a victim of this system. What we need is some good old-school textbooks, like the ones in Singapore, more funding to Gym classes to increase the health of the population and more funding to eliminate all payments for school.

How your anarchist-socialist world works is beyond me, anyway.

	14-01-2003 02:38									#39
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quote: Originally posted by Azazel Balad is an arab nationalist party. "National democratic Party".

Hmm. You're right. I got the name mixed up but otherwise what I said still stands (too nationalist for me )

	14-01-2003 02:48									#40
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so what are you planning to do these days?

are going to school? reading jerusalem.indymedia.net? reading stormfront.net? packing your bags?

	14-01-2003 02:54									#41
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Yes, going to school. BTW, day after tomorrow Bugi visits school ...
indymedia.org.il
stormfront.org. Not really... I used to visit it back when I thought I could (and should) DoS sites I didn't like. You see, Stormfront - being a *right wing* site doesn't really suit my views

	14-01-2003 03:09									#42
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Bugi? you mean the chief of staff? prepare to be bored.

back to topic...

	14-01-2003 03:35									#43
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oh no azazel dear I won't be bored

	14-01-2003 04:51									#44
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god, i had hoped that young, more or less intelligent and informed people wouldn't vote for the most right wing parties.

in the rest of the world, intelligent people usually vote for moderate parties, seldom left or right extreme.

why are some of you (israeli) guys here so extremist?

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Guess, Sabrewolf

	14-01-2003 05:30									#46
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i don't have a clue, sorry...

	14-01-2003 08:16									#47
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Think Palestine.

	14-01-2003 08:40									#48
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quote: Originally posted by Azazel with a large decay in the popularity of the leading Likud Party due to the sudden ( ) emergence of multiple corruption allegations, which finally gives the labor party a realistic shot at #1,

Most of what I've seen suggests this still isn't likely - most of whats being lost by likud is being gained by the extreme right and moderate parties and not labor - ie, people still agree with Likud, even if they might disagree with the certain individuals in that paty - that doesn't seem like a very good recipe for Labor to win.

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quote: Originally posted by sabrewolf god, i had hoped that young, more or less intelligent and informed people wouldn't vote for the most right wing parties.

Ha. Do you know how many percent of the young Jewish people(18-~30 or 25, I dont remember the poll) vote for the Labor? 2%. Yep, two percent.
The Likud gets 40%.

	14-01-2003 10:37									#50
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Shinui looks like the Republican party of Israel: the party of the Middle Class - wants lower taxes, less socialism and a stong military.

My kind of party.

	14-01-2003 11:14									#51
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quote: Originally posted by Ned Shinui looks like the Republican party of Israel: the party of the Middle Class

The middle class in the US usually splits it's support between Democrats and Republicans (it was split right down the middle in the 2000 election, IIRC)

I don't think it's fair to label either party the "party of the middle class".

	14-01-2003 14:00									#52
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quote: Originally posted by Edan The middle class in the US usually splits it's support between Democrats and Republicans (it was split right down the middle in the 2000 election, IIRC) I don't think it's fair to label either party the "party of the middle class".

Hah! I don't believe that for a minute. Think about it. There are very few rich. The working class is highly Democrat. So are the minorities. And yet, Republicans are half the country. The middle class in the US is Republican.

	14-01-2003 15:00									#53
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Shinui is NOT the republican party:
It's pro-gay rights. It's against religion.

	14-01-2003 15:28									#54
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Quick question:

So arabs constitute about 20% of Israels population, right? And arab parties have 8 seats in the polls, out of 140? 8/140 = 6%. So what are the other 14% voting for? Or are they not voting at all? Why? BTW, what was the total turnout last election?

	14-01-2003 15:34									#55
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quote: Shinui looks like the Republican party of Israel: the party of the Middle Class - wants lower taxes, less socialism and a stong military.

Except that Sharon is a good old socialist.

	14-01-2003 15:37									#56
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Gnu :
They either boycot the elections of the zionist entity or vote for the Labor. 40% of the Arabs who vote, vote for them. Which, in the current state of conditions means that more than one third of the Labor voters are Arabs. This shows exactly how much they had fallen.

	14-01-2003 15:39									#57
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I´d vote for any party that had a viable solution to the palestinian situation. A party that is committed to peace and will see to both israeli and palestinian interests. A party that is willing to turn a new leaf and end the bloodshed.

Is there such a party?

(Well, not much marxism in that. But I think the situation is way beyond political dogmas, both leftist and rightist. It´s time to take the humanitarian approach IMHO.)

	14-01-2003 15:41									#58
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1)there are 120 seats in the parliament.
2)muslim arabs, descendants of the phalachs and the town dwelling arab population are around 12% they're the ones who vote for the arab parties, mostly. The Beudins and the Druze vote for the general parties, in the case of the druze, are also conscipted. There is also the arab Christians. together they form around 17%-18% of the population.

	14-01-2003 15:45									#59
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quote: I´d vote for any party that had a viable solution to the palestinian situation. A party that is committed to peace and will see to both israeli and palestinian interests. A party that is willing to turn a new leaf and end the bloodshed.

cute. but I don't see real solutions. Do you really believe that Israel alone can make an end to the violence? It takes two for peace, it takes one for war, no matter who do you believe is the MAIN cause of violence, It's obvious that there is violence from both sides.

	14-01-2003 15:52									#60
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A funny vote about Hadash, and it's arab members. :

lately, there was a meating scheduled between the Hadash leadership, and some activists in the gay/lesbian community. Guess who didn't come? the arab memebers. Obviously, the arab members of the party, are as communist as Ronald Reagan,and are still guided by the traditionalist mentality of hating the gay, opressing the woman, etc.. It was rather funny to try and to justify posters on indymedia.org.il that piggish behaviour. "they're under a lot of constraints. We shouldn't forget that the arabs are the real victims... " yeah. the real victims, pushing jobs to their family members, corrupt leadership of local authorities. Way to go, "commies"!