13-01-2003 11:40									#121
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten The quality of first year games is a completely different issue from developer support. First year games always suck and I don't think the Gamecube and Xbox have done any better than Sony.

I think the Xbox did WAY better than Sony in terms of quality. Sony didn't have anything close to the quality of Halo when PS2 launched...the only game which came close was GT3, which was a full year after launch.

quote: The important point is that Sony has more third party support than any other console maker and had this support lined up before the PS2 even launched. This demonstrates the faith the industry had in the PS2, based on the massive success of the PS1. This is what MS wants to achieve with the Xbox 2.

It doesn't demonstrate the faith of the industry in the PS2, necessarily:

It demonstrates the doubt they had in MS making a reliable, good console and the doubt they had in Nintendo in making a popular console either, after N64.

As far as most people in the industry (and indeed, the public) were concerned, the PS2 was the only "next-gen" console.

That's why it was big. You seem to blame it all on, or mostly on, the PSX being a success. You need to look at the situation, look at what their options were...

Nintendo ****ed up the N64. Sega discontinued its console. MS hasn ever made a console before. But wait! Sony is here to save the day. It was a no-brainer. Yes, they were successful in the past and that helped when no one else among their competition was -- but next cycle, all three consoles were successful before.

That's a problem for Sony.

	13-01-2003 11:44									#122
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quote: That's a problem for Sony.

Since when are we talking about Sony's prospects? I thought you were trying to convince me that the Xbox 2 can't possibly make a profit. "A problem for Sony" would seem to improve the chances of MS achieving profitability...

	13-01-2003 11:47									#123
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quote: Since when are we talking about Sony's prospects? I thought you were trying to convince me that the Xbox 2 can't possibly make a profit.

Read back some, I've said it's possible.

But if it does, it won't be a big one, and it won't make up for the losses it sustained in the original Xbox.

And I though it would be clear by now that it'd be hard to make a sizable amount of money on the Xbox for MS. Enough so people could think and wonder why they went through all that work, literally tripling their costs of production on the balance sheet (Which investors don't like) with a product which doesn't make them much profit.

The answer is simple: They're not in it for the profit primarily. It's just a wonderful thing if they can do it.

	13-01-2003 11:49									#124
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quote: The answer is simple: They're not in it for the profit primarily. It's just a wonderful thing if they can do it.

I disagree. I don't want to go another round, however, so I'll bid you good night. I have to go to class in the morning.

	13-01-2003 20:34									#125
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quote: You're going to have to rephrase that, because I have no idea what you're getting at.

Um... Playstation came out before N64. And when N64 did come out, the PS1 already had the major market share and relegated Nintendo from its top spot to nothing. It had nothing to do with their misfire, they already stopped being top dog.

	14-01-2003 05:16									#126
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The PS1 succeeded because Nintendo chased away third party developers with its arrogant attitude and unpopular cartridge format. Nintendo's misfire led to the PS1's massive third party support, including Square. Final Fantasy 7 was the game that propelled the PS1 to the top, so I think Nintendo's blunder very much led to Sony's success.

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	14-01-2003 10:54									#127
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Im glad about nintendo getting there asses handed to them. God remember how they used to dominate the console market? Now there filing lawsuits left and right and taking on the position of somehow being a victim in all this. Its good to see them get a taste of there own medicine.

Ill never buy a console again. Why?

1)I was stupid enough to buy a SEGA-Saturn, and rented all 4 games that were made
2)I was stupid enough to buy a N64, and rent all 15 games ever made
3)My X bought me a stupid Gamecube, which I returned and got an X-BOX. Used a Mod Chip, made the mistake of trying X-BOX live. Found out I couldnt cause I had a mod chip.. But thankfully, M$ still charged me for it.

Nope never am I buying another Console...I hope the console market burns in hell. Its a threat to the PC gaming genre. It is because its cheaper and even idiots can play it. PC games take some intellegence, Modding is half the fun.

	14-01-2003 10:56									#128
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quote: Used a Mod Chip, made the mistake of trying X-BOX live. Found out I couldnt cause I had a mod chip.. But thankfully, M$ still charged me for it.

	14-01-2003 10:58									#129
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Oh ya and we all knew AOL's domination of TW would come to end soon enough. Steve Case was the last bastion of AOL's control of Time Warner. When the bottom fell out of the Internet market and AOL began seeing red, it was the end. I mean...think about it. AOL is a company that sells bits and bytes, the other actually physically makes something. It was only a matter of time. I predict AOL gets spun off in the end, as of right now its more of a liability to the larger Media Oriented Conglomerate

	14-01-2003 11:00									#130
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Whats so funny about that asher? That wasnt cool, its not like they warn you or anything. I cant get on LIVE period. Im banned.

	14-01-2003 11:04									#131
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Who told you that any console maker would give support for mod chips of any sort?

	14-01-2003 11:06									#132
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Why should I get perma-banned from LIVE ? I paid for the X-box, I removed the mod chip and everything. I called non-existing M$ tech support they tell to buy a new X-box. Forget it. They even charged my freakin CC for a week even though I couldnt use the service. Here and I wanted to try out my new BB connection and everything thats going on my new comp..fudge MS.

	14-01-2003 11:08									#133
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quote: Originally posted by faded glory Whats so funny about that asher? That wasnt cool, its not like they warn you or anything. I cant get on LIVE period. Im banned.

Because it tells you in the user agreement when you get the Xbox that you can't modify it.

The LIVE user agreement tells you it only works with unmodified Xboxes.

Modified Xboxes online could allow rampant cheating, among other things, so they're simply not allowed.

And they figure once you connect with a modded chip, you're not trustworthy anymore, and get banned from the service.

	14-01-2003 11:11									#134
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quote: Originally posted by faded glory Why should I get perma-banned from LIVE ?

It said not only in the Xbox user agreement, but the Live user agreement, that modified Xboxes are a no-no.

quote: I paid for the X-box, I removed the mod chip and everything. I called non-existing M$ tech support they tell to buy a new X-box. Forget it.

And other people paid for a good gaming experience. Mod chips mean non-official code can run on the Xbox Live network, which means cheats and trainers which ruin the experience for other players.

So once someone is caught using a modchip connecting to Xbox Live, the box's serialnumber blacklisted because you can't be trusted.

You're lucky they don't do anything more. A modchip is in violation of your DMCA, which means it's actually a crime, and they have your credit card info and everything else.

quote: They even charged my freakin CC for a week even though I couldnt use the service.

Uh. What?
The kit comes with 1 year subscription, they don't charge you unless you renew...

	14-01-2003 11:13									#135
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who reads the user agreement tho? lol. Maybe those asshats could atleast have a pop-up warning about Mod-chips. Anyway. Like I said ill never buy another console. No PS3, X-BOX-2, or whatever console that happens to pop out of nintendo's orfice

	14-01-2003 11:16									#136
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nm. . The CC was for something else that im angry about M$ related. Ya your right, I suppose i shouldnt of messed with mod chips. I guess they dont want cheaters on Live ? Its only a matter of time you know.

	14-01-2003 11:16									#137
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PM me and I'll let you in on a little secret on how to fix your problem.

	14-01-2003 11:18									#138
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really? I gotta go soon but when I get back on im gonna take you up.

All I wanna know is. How do I get the regular X chip to get on live. I cant get on even now cause it says you once installed it and thats all.

	14-01-2003 11:23									#139
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I believe you'd need to format the harddrive (which means you'd lose all your saved games, if you have a memory card you could copy the files over to that first) first, then a certain program which lets you change your S/N, MAC address, online key, and a bunch of other stuff.

You'd need to get another kit though, I believe.