24-03-2003 17:34									#421
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Well. as long as we have both
a.) A comissioner &
b.) The everlasting CCCP,

There will always be an ACDG.

-Jam

	24-03-2003 20:58									#422
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War of Art- Would you care to assume the role of official bumpist and spammer (or as we like to say, "foreman")?

	25-03-2003 01:13									#423
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Spam? Where?

	25-03-2003 12:16									#424
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quote: Originally posted by lucky22 War of Art- Would you care to assume the role of official bumpist and spammer (or as we like to say, "foreman")?

I respectfully accept the honor of this nomination, but I will allow other candidates to make themselves known. We are democratic, yes? If there are no other proposals before the end of the week, I suppose people are happy with this suggestion.

-Jam

	09-04-2003 04:32									#425
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Greetings Comrades from UN Peacekeeper faction !

I am very glad to annouce you that the despite I lost all contacts with inter and foreing policies for both Gaian and PK Factions, I have been working very hard on founding a "New CCCP", here in Gaian territory, called the Kainomednap Gaian Bureau, KGB for short, everyone knowing the very famous Kainomednap fruit that grows here -- sort of an absinth.
This is working very well here, and Gaian comrades brought very interesting ideas to the whole ideology of Marxism and post Marxism. My return in PK territory is still very delayed, due to problems to solve my interests here (getting a new connection) and Lady Deirdre is to return back from her congress sooner than what was planned, so I will be kept very busy.

I do not congratulate War of Art for his lack of spamming invoolvment in the Party, thoug I encourage everyone to act as a true spammer foreman.

I also wish to declare that I voted write-in for the latest DSE polls and that I wish to turn my vote into Abstain, if possible. Thoug it is not needed. Actually, IIRC, a director need to have 50+ votes to be elected.

Of course, do not even doubt that the proletariat will anyway win elections, battles, wars and finally will win the world itself.
The people united can never be vainquished, the people knows everything, for I have walked with drones.

Pandemoniak,

quotes from : "Imperialism, the supreme stade of capitalism ; Kainomendap, the supreme stade of Absinth ; Pandemoniak, the supreme stade of Transcent", Lady Deirdre skye, Datalinks.

	09-04-2003 13:05									#426
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Pan come back, without our great leader we can do nothing Well, nothing constructive. And I was feeling lonely too. Come back soon, or at least in time to start the next ACDG.

Long live the CCCP!

-Jam

	09-04-2003 16:53									#427
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Amen. May the CCCP remain strong, and may STEP remain it's faithful ally. Together, we can fight the twin evils of Free Market and boreholes.

And come back Pande, the drones need you, and we all look up to you.

	09-04-2003 17:05									#428
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quote: Actually, IIRC, a director need to have 50+ votes to be elected.

You obviously haven't been readin the constitution lately. There's nothing whatsoever in there about this, and it would be plain stupidity to put something like that in, as it would mean we needed runoffs almost every time more than two people were running.

	10-04-2003 01:17									#429
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Good to see you, Comrade Pan! Stay well, stay alive!!

	10-04-2003 19:26									#430
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We need him back. Or for Archaic to come back over spouting Free Market and a college education

-Jam

	11-04-2003 01:47									#431
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Well, in truth I think we're just about done here. The course of the faction's economic decision making ultimately followed a fairly typical 'optimum' course for the PKs. We kept things planned a little longer, but the swing votes really had the "planned early, free market later on" notion in mind all along I think. In basic CIV tradition, we once again get a crude simulation of historical materialism.

LET NO CHILD BE BORN INTO DRONEHOOD!!

	11-04-2003 02:36									#432
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quote: Originally posted by lucky22 In basic CIV tradition, we once again get a crude simulation of historical materialism.

How very true However, great way to put it, methinks a new sig line

	11-04-2003 11:56									#433
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I think

quote: LET NO CHILD BE BORN INTO DRONEHOOD!!

is better Its kinda catchy.

-Jam

	11-04-2003 20:24									#434
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quote: Originally posted by lucky22 In basic CIV tradition, we once again get a crude simulation of historical materialism.

*tips hat* 'pleasure to be of service

I'm actually not much of a capitalist in real life, having grown rather disillusioned with it (and materialism in general), but there are situations (like the one we've been in) where it makes good sense in SMAC.

	11-04-2003 23:47									#435
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And I the exact opposite. I am a capitalist in real life (well, a Green capitalist, but I believe in the market, and leaving it to the market) but when it comes to RP, I seem to find more on common with Socialists and Lefties, and in the ideal world (how I try to run SMAC) I say forget capitalism

I'm a very confused person Something I do know though, I'm not a Conservative

	12-04-2003 21:43									#436
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Are there any Torys left in England now?

* Jamski has nightmare vision of Tony Blair grinning from the TV for ever.

-Jam

	13-04-2003 00:56									#437
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Yes, sadly their are. In fact, they're only about 2 or 3% down in the polls You think Blair is bad, just look at Iain Duncan Smith What we need is someone younger, someone down to Earth, someone from one of the regions, someone who is less blue and red, and more... yellow and someone with a slightly looked-down-upon hair colour.... Now where could we find someone like that?

spoiler(highlight to read): BTW, for all the people who have no idea about British Politics, I am talking about Charles Kennedy, the Leader of the Liberal Democrat Party, the 3rd party in British Politics, who may one day oust The Torys from leading the opposition... Well, we can dream (or move to Scotland)

	13-04-2003 14:37									#438
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Well, untill you get a representative government in Britain, the Lib Dems won't get their fair share of the seats in the commons. AS it stands a vote for the Lib Dems is a wasted vote in many constituencies. But then again, here in Germany we always have to have a coalition government because of the representative system, which means that the Bundestag is just a talking shop. The obvious solution is anarchy - who needs a government anyway?

-Jam

	13-04-2003 17:02									#439
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quote: But then again, here in Germany we always have to have a coalition government because of the representative system, which means that the Bundestag is just a talking shop.

The parliament's a talking shop because the country has a multiparty coalition? Why? And then what is a parliament in a one-party government?

	14-04-2003 01:17									#440
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From Poland's experience, the only problem with multiparty coalition turns up when it consists of more than three parties. We had never a one-party government in any democratic period (very short, I admit). 2 parties ruling a country seem to be the best option, at least at the first glance. But hell, YMMV.

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The problem at the moment in Germany is that the government can only talk. The current Social Democratic/Green coalition has a very small marjority (two or three seats?) but a minority in the upper house. The Social Democratics don't always agree with the Green party, but they need their support, and they definitely don't agree with the Christian Democratic Union, but they control both the upper house, and the majority of the regional goverments too. This means they can make hell in the Bundestag, because if they don't like a law, they can block it at the national and regional level. So - all the government can do is talk and try to find some "middle way" which everyone will agree to, which is the same as doing nothing.

This is the political system that produced Hitler - as the "compromise Chancellor" that all the factions could agree to.

-Jam

	14-04-2003 23:08									#442
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I see that problem. However, I think if we had proportional representation, the Liberal Democrats become the "King-Makers", since whichever party they side with, will become the government, thus they could draw out many consessions from the 2 main parties.

I favour proportional representation for the extra democracy, and the ability for minor parties to have a candidate in power, however, what happens to regional constituencies? For instance, do MPs still represent a particular area, and elected by that area, or are they all nationwide? What happens to independant candidates?

	15-04-2003 00:47									#443
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We don't have this problem here in Belgium as in Germany, as the federal executive and federal legislative (senate and chamber) powers are elected at the same time, making it quasi impossible for a government not to have a majority in parliament. Consequence of course is most of the power lies with the executive government, and the legislative power often just approves the proposals of the ministers.

	15-04-2003 01:53									#444
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We don't elect our upper house, so we won't have the problem

	15-04-2003 11:14									#445
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Yippee ! Go hereditary peers ! Surely the best form of government ever !

We get around the problem of local representation by having a federal system here. Each Land has its own government, Minister-President, etc. Some of the East German Lands have a coalition government which includes the old Soviet style communist party, with the Social Democrats. We call this a Red-Red Coalition As you can imagine, not a lot is agreed on in these regional governments, unless one party can get an absolute majority.

Hmm, its more fair than the crazy British system, but if it works? That's the big question.

-Jam

	15-04-2003 16:30									#446
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quote: Originally posted by War of Art As you can imagine, not a lot is agreed on in these regional governments, unless one party can get an absolute majority.

I don't see the problem. Have those guys never heard of the concept "compromis"? Belgin politicians are experts in that, with our complicated system.

	16-04-2003 00:20									#447
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quote: Originally posted by War of Art Yippee ! Go hereditary peers ! Surely the best form of government ever !

Actually, we have very few heriditory peers left. 75 I believe (although a few with special positions). Most, the vast majority, are appointed for life, for outstanding contributions to Britain, chosen by the cabinet and the Queen. Much like the American Supreme Court apointments.

	16-04-2003 13:22									#448
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Where is Kaiser Wilhelm when you need him :P

	16-04-2003 14:59									#449
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In my freezer, waiting for the right moment

-Jam

	17-04-2003 00:18									#450
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I knew the Voices were right!
Beware him who hides Willi they told me. Also they told me to
Dance Naked in the Woods but hey!