21-05-2003 03:43									#91
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I think it is very important, that ND do not go offensive.
Our MPP will kick in, and we will be forced to show our true alliance with ND.

	21-05-2003 05:46									#92
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sent to mav_son and Darkell of ND a while ago:

quote: Greetings mav_son and Darekill, We have recieved and reviewed the e-mail sent by Borc regarding RP's latest move in the jungle. We are concerned about this but we would like to recommend taking extreme precaution over this situatio as there are various things we feel you should know before you rush into a war. First, a few turns before the game crash, RP approached us with a Mutual Protection Pact in the event that you attacked or threatened them. In order to maintain the illusion that we were just as afraid of an ND attack as they were, we accepted, however, we wisely changed some of the wording of the agreement to suit our needs, mainly in that there is a loophole in the agreement by which we are not forced to aid them in case of war. This loophole is that the treaty is not valid in case WE declare war first. Our idea was that when the time came for a war, we would simulate a fake war between us first, then shift into an alliance against RP. The benefits of this included that we now had a reason to move our units towards the jungle with the excuse that we were trying to outflank you, it also served to make RP believe that whatever ND did, we would ally with them against you. Second, we are unprepared for an offensive war at this moment. We are currently building as many horsemen as possible so that we can upgrade them to Riders. We will obtain Chivalry in slightly over 10 turns. Sending our horsemen at this moment would only serve to undermine our ability to wage war more successfuly in just a few more turns. Third, this is obviously a trick being played by RP to provoke a war BEFORE you (or us in case they suspect) get Chivalry, and thus your UU. We would honestly advise you to swallow your pride and hold off on a war until the time we get Chivalry upon which it will be offered exclusively to you and jointly we can attack RP when they are least prepared. Wars are won by those who pick not only the battleground, but the timing. We will not be so successful if we decide to play by RP's rules and go to war when THEY want to, rather we must be clever and wise in chosing the precise moment to strike, that time is when we get Chivalry. We have discussed the situation with the team and have realized there are 2 options that The Glory of War can take with respect. 1) If you decide to go to war immediately, we can give you Feudalism next turn, and NOT sell it to any other team. That will leave ND, GoW and GS as sole possessors of Feudalism. Furthermore we can blackmail GS into NOT selling it to RP by threatening them with not selling them Chivalry. When we get Chivalry we will also offer it to you. The problem with this plan is that most, if not all the initial fighting will have to be done by ND as we would keep our horseman until we got Chivalry. Upon getting Chivalry we would offer all our military support in case the war isn't over by then. You should however be at a big advantage with Feudalism over them and the war would be much easier. 2) If you chose to wait, we will attack the moment we get Chivalry. This would be best in the sense that we would offer all our support in an active manner. I would like to point out part 3 of our own treaty: 3. Neu Demogyptica and the Glory of War will declare war on the Roleplay team on the same turn. This turn is not yet decided, but it must be agreed to by both teams at least 20 turns beforehand or later if mutually agreed upon. . We had agreed upon AT LEAST 20 turns warning before starting conflict. You must understand that we are not prepared to rush into a war immediately, and according to Borc, neither are you. If going to war is simply a matter of pride or revenge at RP's making a city in the jungle, you are simply falling for RP's trap. We must ignore and strike when we are ready. Anyway, please consider both options I have presented. We have every intention of allying with you to get rid of RP. But at the moment we can only offer to give you Feudalism and guarantee that we will not sell it to any other team. We would also like to enfazise that it is necessary that WE declare war first, as to void our treaty with RP. Therefore we would need at least a 2 turn advance warning on when you would declare war so that we can respond accordingly. Furthermore, I would like to set up a chat between us since during our last one no ND member showed up. This weekend would be perfect, please tell us the time you would be available. Anyway, we have a temporary chatroom at Undernet #GoW sometimes me or Panzer32 are there but we would rather set a time and day for an "official" chat. Once again, greetings from GoW to you and your teammates, and we hope for a nice long chat with you soon, -Master Zen

GF, can you give me Borc's e-mail address?

	21-05-2003 15:39									#93
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quote: Originally posted by Master Zen sent to mav_son and Darkell of ND a while ago: GF, can you give me Borc's e-mail address?

borchert AT cylusion.com

	22-05-2003 23:53									#94
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Just received reply from Borc:

quote: Hello Master Zen. Thank you very much for your very interesting message! Your argumentation sounds good. tomorrow we will have a ND internal chat. probably we have to elect a new governor soon (we can't find mav_son anymore). I hope we also can tell you then an day for a new chat between ND and GoW. Anyway we will not declare war on RP the next 2-3 turns... So there is time enough to discuss the whole situation with you! All the best Borc

it seems mav_son has gone AWOL...

I hope they get back with me on the chat issue.

	29-05-2003 04:49									#95
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Asked Borc about the Iron deal, said they will send some this turn (don't know if they played the save before they got my mail)

quote: Hello master zen! no problem, we will renew the deal! :-) cu Borc >Hello Borc, > >We need you to resend Iron to us this turn since the >deal expired last turn. > >Thank you very much >-Master Zen

	20-06-2003 22:36									#96
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sent to ND:

quote: Hi Borc and Darekill; Things have been stressful at the Glory of War lately. I was wondering if we could have a chat sometime on the weekend to sort some things out. 1. Some of GoW wants to delay the turn that we attack, as you had said ealier in our last chat. We still need to figure if we are delaying or not. 2. We have a new consul of War, Aggie. It would be good if we discuss military strategy with him present. He has a couple of new ideas that might be beneficial to us. 3. It looks like getting a no trade clause from gathering storm for chivalry might be difficult. We need to discuss possibly selling roleplay chivalry, expecially if we delay some. 4. I still haven't written out the stuff that has to do with switching cities that we talked about in the chat, as there has been many more pressing issues to deal with. Thanks, Panzer32 Emperor of the Glory of War.

	21-06-2003 16:46									#97
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Sorry if I stepped on any toes...I shot off an email when Darekill said he could not make the chat

quote: We have been discussing your comment that we delay the war for a few turns. We will only have 9 riders available, and are considering stopping research for a couple of rounds. If we did this, would it disrupt your plans ?

His response

quote: I can only speak for myself since i have not discussed this with the three other consuls but i think it will be acceptable but only if you don't give the tech away too soon especialy not to spain. The last thing we need is spanisch Knights. they coud eat up our defenses with ease. If you would delay the research for four or five turns then we would be able to add another 50 g to our offer since we are realy interested not to see chivalry in spanish hands too soon.