25-01-2003 19:34									#91
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Ha! I forgot...I am going to be "paying for uni". In June Dolores and I start paying $20 a month for a poor young Filipino guy to go to college. He helps his parents at their sari sari store down the street from us. It's got a cool place to sit and have a cold one. Corner place that catches the breezes. Nice kid.

	26-01-2003 00:20									#92
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I don't know about money making disciplines. I wouldn't swap doing ancient philosophy for any of them - it is simply a more interesting job.

As for the money - I am one of those people who makes a very bad consumer. Short of a computer, books and a good hi fi I don't want anything else - don't give a damn about clothes or cars or where I live.

Anyway, what's the point of being rich enough to afford the latest Quad system if you are only going to play Britney on it (having failed to spend college cultivating your tastes).

	26-01-2003 00:42									#93
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I agree. I am not much of a materialist, my problem is, I need to feel productive.

	26-01-2003 00:49									#94
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And yet you still post on Apolyton

	26-01-2003 01:34									#95
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Hehe, funny man

	27-01-2003 18:02									#96
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Mike, what's wrong with sponsorship?

	27-01-2003 18:05									#97
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Well the example I gave earlier was when you get a conflict of interests between a big sponsor and a university's research. For instance an oil company sponsoring a chemical engineering department.

There are positive aspects to that as well of course.

	27-01-2003 18:14									#98
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At least then the uni is researching things relevant to making people more prosporous.

	27-01-2003 18:18									#99
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Sure. But they could be researching something that would make different people more prosporous, for instance alternatives to oil based fuels.

	27-01-2003 18:21									#100
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Who says they aren't.

	27-01-2003 18:23									#101
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Do you really think that there is no situation when a sponsor can't influence the research direction of a uni? What and damage their sponsor's major source of revenue?

	27-01-2003 18:24									#102
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I think a sponsor CAN influence a university's research, and when it does it can only be for the better.

	27-01-2003 18:43									#103
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You are either extremely naive or have an extremely limited imagination then.

	27-01-2003 20:54									#104
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How can it not benefit?

	27-01-2003 21:00									#105
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By persuading a department to send its research in a way which is not against the company's interests but which might be stopping the university researching something which could be beneficial to society as a whole.

	27-01-2003 21:03									#106
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I think you need to be a bit more trusting of big companies, Mike.

	27-01-2003 21:20									#107
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I agree with Mike. The company is paying, therefore the company dictates a lot. Many times I've heard of research being done not to try to find the best solution to a problem, but to ratify with evidence the solution that that company wishes to use. I think the sponsors have a lot more say than they should, and direct more than they should, however I think in most cases the benefit of the money flowing into universities is more of a benefit to society than the damage of misleading information. Besides, is there a better way?

	27-01-2003 21:22									#108
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Science deals with Truth. Companies with Profit. The two may be occassional bedfellows, sharing brief titilating flings but they are not long term partners. Science has no long term partners, it goes to whatever serves its interests best. Science and Religion used to get along fine and dandy, when the spiritual and material truth were one in the same. When the two diverged, a schism was created that still hasn't healed between the two.

	27-01-2003 21:24									#109
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Trust big companies more.

Next thing you'll be asking me to trust governments!!!

	27-01-2003 23:31									#110
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quote: Originally posted by Boddington's I think you need to be a bit more trusting of big companies, Mike.

Mike is right. You are trolling. If not, you are extraordinarily naive.

	27-01-2003 23:44									#111
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Or (possibly worse) he believes it to be true. You'd be amazed how many people believe things that have much evidence against them, yet still cling to their belief. I'm sure some company has sponsored some research to show that sponsors have no say in the results

	27-01-2003 23:48									#112
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I wonder how a university with sponsorships from the oil industry would direct it's research into alternative energy sources for vehicles?

	28-01-2003 03:16									#113
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Boddington's needs to spend less time in the pub drinking pints of his namesake and to actually go to a university.

Full private funding of university scientific research would be a disaster. Private funding works well when the goals and risks of research are clear - it simply isn't a good business risk to fund the kind of highly theoretical research that is supposed to go on in universities nor would it be desirable for anyone to "own" the results. Nor is it efficient to publicly fund more practical research - that is why we have a mixed system - overall it is the most efficient way of organising scientific research. The only people who don't seem to have noticed this are right wing nutters like you.

	28-01-2003 03:21									#114
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Sugar companies funding research into showing just how nutritious and healthy refined white sugar is, and how beneficial to our health. McDonald's funding research into how vital, tasty and healthy saturated fat in fast food is. British Nuclear Fuels funding research into just how bad alternative sources of energy such as wind and wave power are, and how wonderful radioactive waste is.

Oh wait, haven't all those happened already?




We love you, Big Company.

	28-01-2003 03:51									#115
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Oh and just thought of this great one based on Boddie's claimed views on passive smoking.

The tobacco companies sponsoring all that research showing that tobacco is totally non addictive and harmless.

	28-01-2003 20:23									#116
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quote: Originally posted by Starchild Science deals with Truth. Companies with Profit. The two may be occassional bedfellows, sharing brief titilating flings but they are not long term partners. Science has no long term partners, it goes to whatever serves its interests best. Science and Religion used to get along fine and dandy, when the spiritual and material truth were one in the same. When the two diverged, a schism was created that still hasn't healed between the two.

And who best to know what those interests are than companies?

	28-01-2003 20:55									#117
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Err, the scientists? The people who are doing science for the sheer joy of doing science and not short term profit?

	29-01-2003 16:57									#118
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That is laughable Starchild. Scientists are just academics who haven't spent any time in the real world, and learning what people want.

What better way to deliver what people want than when there is an incentive to find what it is they do actually want.

	29-01-2003 17:23									#119
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boobie

	29-01-2003 19:10									#120
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Boddies doesn't know anything about science does he.

If you don't research pure science you don't know what's possible, if people don't know whether something's possible how do they know if they want it or not? OK so some things are just developments of concepts we already know about. That's what R&D and company research budgets are for. Fair play to them, we really need that. You don't want to turn pure science research into a large R&D department though, research would stagnate.