29-01-2003 19:43									#121
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Coudnt be arsed to be read all 6 pages.
The Fees are too much, disgusting. Not many people graduate straight into a good job. but the problem is that Students in general, have a tendancy to be lazy.
If studying was free,for example every tom,**** and harry would be off to Uni if they could get there

The best way to fund University is to get a good part time job. Sure, most student jobs are working in a shop or summat, but if you look you can a good one. My Annual Salary from my employer is over double what I get from my student loan - If i wasnt so good at bloody spending money my studies would be paid for!
Cheers
Matt

	30-01-2003 02:03									#122
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The problem with Oxford (and perhaps Cambridge too) is that they exclude you from being able to take a job during termtime, by contract, so that idea is out of the question (although I have come across some who have managed to sneak their way around that one).

Anyway Stew, you are again proving how you are away from the fairies and know nothing about this. Besides, many companies do help in the funding of academic research, and they are quite happy about this too, but they don't get a choice in dictating the direction of research. In terms of this one Stew, you don't know what you are talking about...many of the things done in medical science for example, reports on efficacy of drugs in comparison to others or equipment would never occur if the private sector has a direct meddling hand in the matter. They can get on with their work without being swayed. However if there is a direction that the researcher chooses to go in, then often they may be able to get funding from a company with it from there on if they see a benefit or a reason to pursue this. So really, there is a bit of both, but it depends on which stage each financer comes in...

	30-01-2003 02:24									#123
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Aren't the best British universities funded in large part by endowments?

In the US, there are some huge endowments, such as Harvard's $17.2 billion.

http://newsobserver.com/news/story/...p-2017962c.html

	30-01-2003 03:06									#124
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Although at Oxbridge the terms are ludicrously short, so holiday work is a bigger earner

	30-01-2003 03:10									#125
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DanS: Not to the same extent. The largest endowment in Britain is ~$1 Billion for Oxford. I think Harvard's beats all British Uni's combined (according to Cambridge Magazine)

	30-01-2003 03:12									#126
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Thanks. And what's the overall university funding in the UK? Do they break it out in a budget line item?

	30-01-2003 03:17									#127
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I think it's currently about £6-7000 per student per year, with about £1000 coming from the student. I would have no problem paying £3000 a year, as long as the government matched it too,a nd so the university gets £10-11000 in total. For overseas students, they get ~£12000-22000, thus you can see there might be some bias (in fact, the Economics admission tutor at Nottingham admitted that they do bias towards Overseas students, for that reason)

	30-01-2003 03:19									#128
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£6-7000 =~$9-10000 (don't want to patronise, just incase people don't know)

	30-01-2003 03:23									#129
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quote: Originally posted by Boddington's That is laughable Starchild. Scientists are just academics who haven't spent any time in the real world, and learning what people want.

Yeah, right on!

Damn ivory tower know nothings- Archimedes, Galileo, Kepler, Einstein, Dalton, Mendeleev, Curie, Roentgen, Bohr, Heisenberg, Fermi, Heron of Alexandria, Mary the Jewess, Newton, Boyle, Lavoisier, Crowfoot Hodgkin, Fleming- what did they know about what the heterosexual white male wanted?

	30-01-2003 03:47									#130
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The largest endowment in Britain is ~$1 Billion for Oxford.

Hmm... That would put it at 48th in the US.

Let me try to get some spending numbers for the US more broadly.