02-02-2003 23:41									#121
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quote: Originally posted by raguil_79 Rejoice while ye can. You, your sons or at the most, your grandsons may not share your optimism.

I don't think you have to be from a successfull race to believe yourself superior, but it does give you an argument to use.

	03-02-2003 03:42									#122
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Heh...

First Racial superiority of whiteman is a historical sureness (I know it could be a new word, but i do not want to see to the dictionary). From the beginning of white culture, white culture were always dominating others. Our White supremacy is almoast over 2000 years. Our civilisation changed many times their geopolitical structure, but always to fit the reality. That what is a difference between White culture and other is that we were expansionist, and we always want to be better. Chinese, Indian, Persian, Muslims had their times of greatness, but it ended because they could not change their forms of organization. They had no cultural life, cultural modernization.

We, Europeans (Americans are Europeans too) have everything: we have God, and many gods, we have monoteism, and politeism, Church, and Churches, we have all religions, and faiths, all sects, and religion movements, we have symbols, myths, legends, saint books, we have many languages, dialects, cultures, climates, we have seas, oceans, mountains, and deserts, we have art, literature, philosophy, which is better then everything others human did, we have physics, and metaphysics, matematics, and music, which never created anybody on earth, we have mighty technics, and subtele, poetry, we have neverending will to gain the new lands, and will to contemplate, reflection, we have a need of prometeistic revolution, and unconditional obedient, we have faust vitalism, and franciszkanski calm, we have machiavelistic cynism, and very deep idealism, tomantic feeling, and classical moderation, we have political realism, and many kinds of utopia, we have heros, emperors, imperators, popes, kings, chiefs, cardinals, marshals, generals, berserks, aristocrats, magnats, nobles, citizens, peasants, proletarians, nomads, crusaders, knights, warriors, condotiers, paid forces, sailors, corsairs, pirates, conquerors, builders, bankiers, merchants, explorators, conqwistadors, travelers, researches, pilgrims, missionars, saints, gnostics, inquisitors, heretics, ascets, epikureians, dandis, traders, maklers, revolutioners, demagogs, fanatics, we have amazons, witches, princess, queens, emancipants, matrons, we have creators, of laws, codecs, astrologists, astronoms, alchemics, and chemics, and political thinkers,, scientists who are the best in the world.

We, White man know every forms of conquer and rule - political, economic, military, financial, ideological, religous, cultural, and moral, we have all ideas of expansion, infiltration, colonization, penetration, assimilation, enculturation, we have all goverments, and political forms: Empire, monarchies, citys-states, republics, despotism, democartic all types, big, and small countries, slavery, feudalism, and capitalism, socialism, and communism, state society, and corporationism, military, and civil dictatures, centralism, and federalism, mafia and oligarchia, totalitarism, and anarchia, etatism, and free market, we have okupactions, anextion, cession, protectorats, federations, and confederations, unions, and we know all types of soiety organization, and we know all civilizations.

We declared wars, and won or lost them, we made a revolutions, and we destroyed many revolutions, we occupied, and weve been occupied, we had a conspiracy, and we destroyed many conspiracies, we did a crusades, and we did a most subtele diplomacy or we walk like the wild hordes to destroy the enemy with blood and sword, we know ruses, tricks, fortles, and we know what is blood, and iron. Weve been partisans, diversants, terrorists, and we killed partisans, diversants, and terrorists.

WE KNOW EVERYTHING

Well, United States are the white people, and United States are now the biggest country, and strongest, but only because Europe is divided. In Europe the level of life is better, because of smaller diversity of goods. (I exclude Poland, because of communism).

And of course as Pole I see that Polish culture in White cultures are not the strongest, and I know we are not the best Whites But as a whole group Im White, so I know I belong to the European, White, superior civilization, the civilization of better men, better in all ways

But as I said, Americans, are the geopolitical strucuture of White supremacy today, I agree. But tomorrow could be different. But tomorrow could be only white

	03-02-2003 03:48									#123
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quote: Originally posted by Luk Well, United States are the white people, and United States are now the biggest country, and strongest, but only because Europe is divided. In Europe the level of life is better, because of smaller diversity of goods. (I exclude Poland, because of communism).

Exactly how little or how much do you know about United State's society and culture?

The United States is not a homogenous country -- it's one of the more diverse countries in the world. American citizens have come from Asian countries, African countries, Latin American countries, Brazil, Middle Eastern countries, Australia/New Zealand and . . . oh yeah, Europe.

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Luk,

Only a prejudice person would continue this argument as you have. When you are prejudice you can not think rationally. You need to stop and try to think rationally.

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*Sits, listens and shakes head in disbelief*

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Hahah, what a great arguments
Im totaly defeated

	03-02-2003 04:33									#127
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look man, It's 1:30 AM here. But still I probably would post the 3-4 long-ish posts needed to prove that you're wrong. That is IF I thought that you would change your mind, and that your mind is flexible and able to argue. That you're able to concede a defeat in arguement, and are smart enough to understand that finding out that you're wrong in a theoretical/philosophical argument does insult you as a person, but only shows you a clearer picture of reality, hones your debating skills, and makes you generally, a better person.

But, I am in much doubt.

	03-02-2003 05:40									#128
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quote: Originally posted by Calc II Raguil, I guess your statement would be 100% correct if you can ONLY make the assumption that white people are indeed superior today. So I guess either way racial superiority doesnt work out.

Totally agree.

Should've use the world "successful" instead of superior since I didn't intend it to mean in the same way Luk did.

	03-02-2003 05:46									#129
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An interesting thought regarding racial differences, is that Caucasians are more predisposed towards MS, than any other racial group. This is partially due to the fact that MS is based around temperate areas, but asian people due not get MS nearly as much as caucasians (especially caucasian women).

Question... on a biological level is there a genetic difference between racial groups as would be seen in the canine species? I don't know enough about canines to say yay or nay. I know that there are obvious physical differences between say German shepards and poodles. How different are they genetically?

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HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHHAAHAHAHA

After this latest rant, Luk should change his name to O'Brien from 1984. "The party invented everything..."

If you have not been "defeated" at the debate why haven't you "defeated" MY arguments on page 5 and 6? Cavebear has also made some good points you haven't "defeated". The fact is you have not based yourself on any scientific evidence to prove your claim. Sure, the white man's CURRENT success has been through culture, but race? don't think so.

I cannot slam on the white race because, well, I am to a degree descendant from white blood just as I also have indian blood. But all in all, I bet there are MILLIONS of non-whites who are SMARTER, STRONGER, FASTER, CUTER, BETTER AT EVERYTHING YOU DO. There goes your superiorty.

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quote: Originally posted by Luk Hahah, what a great arguments Im totaly defeated

Luk, your own arguments are best summed up by your statement, "Facts are obiective. And obiective is that White race is the best. I do not care why, but we are the best." Paraphrasing, "I'm right, I can't prove it, hell, I can't even provide a shred of evidence, but I'm still right, and I don't care what everybody else says." If you can't see the stupidity if your own arguments, then you're a lost cause. Why would you expect anybody to keep hitting their head against a brick wall to change your mind, when your fingers are jammed firmly in your ears? It's crazy, I tells ya.

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I can't believe I just wasted the better part of an hour of my life reading this crap.

This thread makes me want to gouge out my eyeballs with sandpaper.

But don't think for a second I'd give you wingnuts the satisfaction.

Luk--do us all a favor, and get lost.

	03-02-2003 06:12									#133
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He talks the talk, but the guy probably jerks off with Halle Berry pictures just like the rest of the civilized world.

Nuff said.

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Got any good pictures for me.

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Halle Berry rules! I love her!

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quote: He talks the talk, but the guy probably jerks off with Halle Berry pictures just like the rest of the civilized world.

Naw, probably Mariah Carey. Not as 'dark-skinned.'

Luk:

How do you define race? What seperates a white man from a black man?

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But something about topic..

I think races are equal. Little differencies might occure, like asian people are shorter, African people are sporty etc... As to intelligence, I don't think there's so much differencies it is even worth mentioning.

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Luk even ignores the diversity of the United States, and calls it a "white" nation.

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quote: Originally posted by obiwan18 Naw, probably Mariah Carey. Not as 'dark-skinned.'

Beautiful women take the racist out of anyone. I bet Hitler would have loved to give Halle Berry a **** (of course it would have been their secret...)

Black, white, brown, red, yellow... it's all good when you're gonna get it.

	03-02-2003 12:19									#140
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I like Halle Berry a lot.

She is pretty, not smart

I defeated all your arguments from 5, 6 pages, said, that White had no better natural enviroment then Asians, Middle East, and for sure were weaker then Muslims in early middle ages (historians do not belive how they could not conquer whites. And example of Jews, and their racial differency is very fascinating. There are lot of nations being almost destroyed and vanished, who did not survive. Jews are the example of the great race (but it is for sure White race

So, please respond to my arguments, that what you do is the example of the hate to people who thinks in another way, then rest of you.

Im glad that you people strenghtened me in my position, and thank you.

Im right, and I proved it. But as I said, I have a theory, that everything you can prove, or disaprove, and get the science behind it. Before WWII antropologists, and scientist were in better part agree with racial thesis, today is different, because as I said, science, and politics are very close. But the facts are not arguable, and facts are: Whites are superior.

Elites of USA are white, and that is why this country is a White country. All people from all over the world who came to USA accept, or generally accept white civilization. They have their own, so called "culture", but in general they fit in to White Civ

	03-02-2003 12:23									#141
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I will define races after my egzams on University today.

	03-02-2003 12:24									#142
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U.S.A. is a white civilization?

Maybe 100 years ago, but not now.

The best and brightest in the U.S. come from all nationalities. The one shuttle astonaut was from India. In my city we get many super smart people from India. I knew them in high school. I wouldn't call them white. In fact whites were a minority in my high school. So I can't see calling the U.S. a white country.

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So read what I stated two posts ago. Read people what I write, it is not good to hate, because you start to think irrationally

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quote: She is pretty, not smart

did you meet her? sheesh. Everyone can see she's good looking, but how do you know she's stupid? If you're basing that on the fact that she's black, there are two problems with that?

1)There is no scientific evidence proving blacks or white are by their nature smart, or stupid. By scientific evidence I am meaning a scientific test with the exactly the same conditions for the two groups. The evidence that has been put forward is full of these incorrect comparisons, and furthermore has been published by groups who's initial intent was not the pursuit of truth, but the forwarding of their own agenda. This is crucial in cases of interpreting the evidence.

2) EVEN IF THERE WAS SCIENTIFIC PROOF of the fact that blacks are generally more stupid, THIS STILL WOULDN'T MEAN that Halle Berry is stupid. This is one of the more famous argumentative fallacies, look it in every website that is about intelligent debate. If I could use the same arguement, I would be able to claim that Penguins and Ostriges are able to fly.

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i just figure most actors are stupid

but yes it is necessary to meet them to make any guess at their intelligence. Even then you cannot be sure. Some people act stupid- like me , but are really really smart- like me .

	03-02-2003 14:21									#146
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It is worth mentioning though that the vast majority of USians are of european descent. something like 85%

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quote: Originally posted by Luk And example of Jews, and their racial differency is very fascinating. There are lot of nations being almost destroyed and vanished, who did not survive. Jews are the example of the great race (but it is for sure White race

Judaism is a system of belief, a way of life, a culture- but it isn't a 'race'.

When the Arabs began their conquest of the Maghreb some of the Berber tribes they fought were Jews.

In Ethiopia there are/were 'black' Jews. In Eurasia the Khazars professed Judaism. In China, in India, there are Jews. Care to tell me how many of them are white?

Your 'objective' facts are nothing of the sort. Your thinking appears to be stuck somewhere in the 19th century, a mish mash of Huxleyan social Darwinism and chauvinism. Pilsudski is dead, you know....

	03-02-2003 16:39									#148
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Nations are generally not directed to ethnicities.

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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara I'm not. I didn't do anything to make myself white. Why be proud of an accident of birth?

That makes sense to me, but would you also apply that standard to "gay pride" and "Black pride"?

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quote: Originally posted by raguil_79 BTW, I remember Bulworth saying something like "we all should **** each other until we're the same color". Now THAT's an idea! Where do I sign?

So you agree that it's socially better to have one race as opposed to many races.