06-02-2003 05:55									#1
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I mentioned it during the election polls, and I figured it's as good a time as any to bring it up:

As you all probably know, there's a very large body of fungus (land and sea) a bit south of the "center" of Akiria. I've attached an image of the area for reference. The blue perimeter I've drawn is the dimensions of what I think could be a "National Park" of sorts, a nature reserve. The idea's pretty simple: we don't touch the squares that we set aside. "Touch" means terraform, crawl, or perhaps even move through.

The perimeter I've drawn is just a suggestion, of course, and I'd like to know what you all think it should be, if we should proceed with this at all.

Oh, and no, I didn't forget to click "post a poll", this thread is intended for discussion ... anyone have any ideas, or should I just let you all go back to the FM v. G/P debate?

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	06-02-2003 06:18									#2
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Great plan! Though aren't there a bunch of fungus tiles more to the east as well? And I guess you should also make sure not to plant too many forest around the wildlife preserve. Otherwise the native ecology might disappear as a consequence of our expanding genetically upgraded trees.

	06-02-2003 06:54									#3
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quote: Originally posted by Maniac Though aren't there a bunch of fungus tiles more to the east as well?

Quite right, picture attached. I do have plans for that nut bonus square, though

quote: And I guess you should also make sure not to plant too many forest around the wildlife preserve. Otherwise the native ecology might disappear as a consequence of our expanding genetically upgraded trees.

A good point. I wasn't planning on planting any more forest along the "border", though. Perhaps the forest could grow in that direction anyway, but it would take many years and it perhaps wouldn't be so bad to have the ecologies mingle on the outer edges... just adds to the beauty, no?

	06-02-2003 06:58									#4
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well that's all well and good until it starts spewing forth native life

	06-02-2003 07:02									#5
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quote: Originally posted by TKG well that's all well and good until it starts spewing forth native life

Gotta have something to keep the military sharp ... and I guess we could patrol it with a mind worm unit or two.

edit - a few sensor towers wouldn't be undue, either

	06-02-2003 09:38									#6
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I’m for it, well more accurately I have nothing against the creation of a fungal reserve in the southern portion of the region of Akira, nevertheless it might at some point in time interfere with the expansion of the region (that’s assuming that the administration intends on expanding the region).

	06-02-2003 11:24									#7
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A few mind worm patrols might be a good idea, as would sensor towers. Otherwise, unless we have a pressing need to expand here,

	06-02-2003 11:34									#8
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National parks are good.

	06-02-2003 15:22									#10
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Although I don't see why we shouldn't use it as a "mindworm farm" (Assuming we change to Green, because I think we can't have a natural park with a FM econ.)

-Jam

	06-02-2003 15:38									#11
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Well yes, it's all good and well, but in the future when we develop faster terraforming, I think we should colonise all the space we can. The fungus will live on on the polar regions and the sea, so it really doesn't need any assistance to exist.

	06-02-2003 15:40									#12
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quote: because I think we can't have a natural park with a FM econ.)

Why not? It's not as if there is any great impetus to develop this particular region, national parks are generally nice for tourists, and in any case environmental damage tends to have some rather negativee conomic effects down the line.

	06-02-2003 15:48									#13
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The idea about Mindworm farming isn't necessarily so bad though, from a RP perspective. A clean empath/trance rover moving about in there could stir up some particulary nasty worms as the game goes on, and I'm sure some of our citizens wouldn't mind paying to go on "Mindworm Safari".

	06-02-2003 15:51									#14
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Especially once we build the Xenoempathy Dome, which will allow us to roar around the fungus like nobody's business. It could generate quite a bit of revenue for us if we can get some Demon Boils (IIRC, they bring in 60-70 per kill, which is more than half the current GNP of Centralis!)

	06-02-2003 15:53									#15
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Indeed. With our up 'till now economic stagnation, that amount of cash is quite significant. It really should only be pocket change at this point, but there's no helping that. This cash could get us back on the right track. The only problem.....we don't have Clean Reactors, do we?

	06-02-2003 15:55									#16
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No, but we're only a couple of techs away. The real problem at this point is that we have no many cool techs tor esearch, it's very hard to choose. I'm personally very tempted by Orbital & then Advanced Spaceflight, which will allow us to build satellites that will bring in masses of resources.

	06-02-2003 15:58									#17
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How close are we to Retroviral? RP wise it's going to be hard to get them approved, but gamewise, we NEED Genejacks.

	06-02-2003 16:01									#18
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Once we get Bio-engineering, we can get it as the next tech.

	06-02-2003 16:04									#19
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I was actually suggesting that we could use a mindworm farm to capture worms if poss, rather than destroying them for money. That's why I suggested Green econ, not for the bonus in psy combat, but for the increased chance of capture...

Typical

-Jam

	06-02-2003 16:06									#20
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Well, that's FM for you. Someone suggests something, someone else comes up with a way to have it make money.

And btw, what exactly do you have against hunting worms for planetpearls?

	06-02-2003 16:21									#21
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quote: Originally posted by War of Art I was actually suggesting that we could use a mindworm farm to capture worms if poss, rather than destroying them for money. That's why I suggested Green econ, not for the bonus in psy combat, but for the increased chance of capture... Typical -Jam

We're not the Gaians. At this stage in the game, we'd make 1 capture. Max. And only if we haven't had any captures already in the game. That's just how the game works.

	06-02-2003 16:28									#22
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quote: Originally posted by GeneralTacticus And btw, what exactly do you have against hunting worms for planetpearls?

The same as aginst trapping rabbits for their skins etc. Remember please that Planet is not only alive, but sentient as well. All the lifeforms on Planet are also parts of Planet. We don't hunt humans for the money that selling their ears would bring, do we?

-Jam

	06-02-2003 16:38									#23
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quote: Originally posted by War of Art All the lifeforms on Planet are also parts of Planet. -Jam

We aren't. Preach your silly religion if you must, but don't inflict it on others.

	06-02-2003 16:43									#24
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quote: The same as aginst trapping rabbits for their skins etc.

And what do you have against that, specifically?

quote: We don't hunt humans for the money that selling their ears would bring, do we?

Why would people's ears bring money, exactly?

	06-02-2003 16:59									#25
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GT : Why do planet pearls bring money? People will buy anything.

Archaic : Sorry, misunderstanding in my typing. I didn't mean to include us humans. We're clearly NOT part of planet. I meant that the mindworms etc ARE a part of another sentient life form. As for my silly religion, I'll see you when I've trancended

-Jam

	06-02-2003 17:09									#26
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quote: Originally posted by War of Art GT : Why do planet pearls bring money? People will buy anything.

I already gave this quote from my old Marketing lecturer to Maniac in the CCCP topic.

"If we could make people buy anything we wanted to sell through advertising and marketing.......do you honestly think I'd be here right now, lecturing to all of you, at 9pm on a Friday night? You think I don't have other things I'd rather be doing?"

People buy anything? Fat chance of that.

quote: Originally posted by War of Art Archaic : Sorry, misunderstanding in my typing. I didn't mean to include us humans. We're clearly NOT part of planet. I meant that the mindworms etc ARE a part of another sentient life form. As for my silly religion, I'll see you when I've trancended -Jam

Cows are sentient life forms. Chickens are sentient life forms. Flies, fleas, cockroaches, rats and sandflies are all sentient life forms. My pet (A catgirl, bred through our first experiments into genetic manipulation. ^_~ ) is a sentient lifeform. Your point already?

I highly doubt that. Trancendance is overrated. Living forever as a part of a massive, stationary hive mind. Not exactly my cup of tea. I want to live forever of course, but I certainly don't want to be trapped as the mind of some big rock for the rest of my unnatural life.

	06-02-2003 17:31									#27
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Who says stationary ? My rock will move. It will, to put it clearly, rock.

Other points:

1.) People WILL buy anything. I work in marketing. They just won't buy _everything_.

2.) Cats, cows, cockroaches etc are not sentient, as far as we know. Alive? Yes. Sentient? No. This is not open to discussion of "How much a dog really thinks and feels" etc. Let's just use the standard definition and get back to the CCCP forum, shall we.

3.) Hey, you have a catgirl too?

-Jam

	06-02-2003 17:39									#28
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quote: Originally posted by War of Art Who says stationary ? My rock will move. It will, to put it clearly, rock.

While revolving around a star that'll eventually go nova and kill you. Oh yes, and it's rather hard to have sex when you're a planet that can't move out of its orbit too. *YAWN*

quote: Originally posted by War of Art Other points: 1.) People WILL buy anything. I work in marketing. They just won't buy _everything_. 2.) Cats, cows, cockroaches etc are not sentient, as far as we know. Alive? Yes. Sentient? No. This is not open to discussion of "How much a dog really thinks and feels" etc. Let's just use the standard definition and get back to the CCCP forum, shall we. 3.) Hey, you have a catgirl too? -Jam

1) Enjoy your delusions then. You've already shown you don't understand price Vs. quality. Do you want to add in the rest of Marketing theory to that?

2) Even the layman's definition supports my position. While their capacity for intelligence is lower than that of homo sapiens, all those creatures possess the faculty of perception. They are sentient. We domesticate and kill sentient beings. Get used to it. It's only been happening since the dawn of human civilization, perhaps before.

3) Of course. The first. Who do you think made sure they were able to be created? Only in the Free Trade zone of Terminal Dogma could such a miracle take place.

	06-02-2003 17:57									#29
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quote: Originally posted by Archaic While revolving around a star that'll eventually go nova and kill you. Oh yes, and it's rather hard to have sex when you're a planet that can't move out of its orbit too. *YAWN*

Don't worry Archaic, by the time this DemoGame is finished you won't be a teenager anymore. Sex won't be so important then

-Jam

	06-02-2003 18:10									#30
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Would the fact that I'm a virgin who's never had sex or even masturbated surprise you?

And besides, considering that what's on this planet is supposed to be the last of our species, I don't see much more important than reproduction.