06-02-2003 21:25									#1
	NK-"We will launch a first strike against the US while the US is still in Iraq..." Got spare money?

...and before troops can be transfered to Korea."

Pres Bush :"We are ready for any contingency"

Just on the news.

	06-02-2003 21:27									#2
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Holy sh*t... honestly, I don't know what to think anymore of this political climate

	06-02-2003 21:29									#3
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What news? CNN? Must be, they've been stuck on two topics for weeks....

NK won't attack anyone. They are raising a stink to gain attention, and it is working. Negotiations will be held (the US will not attack a foe seriously capable of striking back) and they will be bought off again.

If they could feed their people they would be a much more credible and serious threat.

	06-02-2003 21:29									#4
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I just bet there are plans, for any contingency.

What's amazing is RNK is starving, can't build a road, yet want to even consider things like this.
Oh, well...

	06-02-2003 21:32									#5
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Opppsss, sorry Wezil. MSNBC

	06-02-2003 21:37									#6
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http://www.msnbc.com/news/850567.asp?0cv=CB10

	06-02-2003 21:42									#7
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I hope north korea attacks us... finally we'll be able to unify Korea under a democratic government, and at the same time teach a lesson to the other pathetic rogue states.
Just so long as I don't get drafted.

	06-02-2003 21:43									#8
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DPRK gets now all its income from exporting arms and blackmailing, doesn't it?

	06-02-2003 21:48									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Wezil What news? CNN?

I heard similar stories on NPR, Fox and ABC. NK says it will be all out war if we attack their nuclear facilities. Then they added that the U.S. is not the only one who can launch a pre-emptive war.

They don't have the missile range to dump a nuke onto U.S. territory...but they might by able to smuggle one on board a ship & park it in L.A. harbor.

	06-02-2003 21:51									#10
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quote: Originally posted by Tuomerehu DPRK gets now all its income from exporting arms and blackmailing, doesn't it?

Pretty much, and this is more of the same.

Now, IF GWB were to make it clear that come hell or high water the regime in NK is to be changed then we would have different dynamics.

Despite David Frum's 'axis of evil' bit this is not US intention for NK (see my earlier post). The axis rhetoric was along the same lines as wanting Bin Laden 'dead or alive'. Rhetoric for domestic consumption, but not really meaningful (when was the last time GWB even mentioned Bin Laden?).

	06-02-2003 21:53									#11
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Zkribbler - all US outlets. My earlier veiled complaint about US media myopia still applies.

	06-02-2003 21:54									#12
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quote: Originally posted by SlowwHand What's amazing is RNK is starving, can't build a road, yet want to even consider things like this. Oh, well...

That's exactly when they consider things like this,
When the country is just about to form a lynch mob
to hang it's own government. Start a war and it's
"rally around the flag".

Same thing happened when Argentina invaded the
Falklands.

	06-02-2003 21:54									#13
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We have a very large division close enough.

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"They don't have the missile range to dump a nuke onto U.S. territory...but they might by able to smuggle one on board a ship & park it in L.A. harbor."

Heh. If they really want to screw with everybody, park that boat in Tokyo harbor.

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quote: Originally posted by Zkribbler They don't have the missile range to dump a nuke onto U.S. territory...but they might by able to smuggle one on board a ship & park it in L.A. harbor.

The soviet union or the US et al. could have used nukes a million times during the cold war but they didn't, go figure out why.

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"smuggle one on board a ship & park it in L.A. harbor."
No big loss. And besides, they know if they did that, they'd totally be toast. No country would not sympathize with the U.S. after an attack of that scale, and we would have possibly the very first united world coalition against a single country. Hell, China might even join in.
Same if they attacked Tokyo, only even more so, because modern Japan is a bit less hated around the world than the U.S., or at least I get that impression.

	06-02-2003 22:04									#17
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JohnT - To what end? Suicide? Kim may be crazy but I doubt he is suicidal.

	06-02-2003 22:08									#18
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The entire stance is suicidal. Why not add some more insanity?

	06-02-2003 22:11									#19
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The country is starving, an so goes the theory that a lot of pissed Koreans can be turned away from the government as an enemy

...but I always wondered in the case of NK - are the people basically put at gunpoint to have "great leader" parades etc., or do they genuinely accept him due to Indoctrination? Are they at least partially happy with their current government, sincerely

	06-02-2003 22:15									#20
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Remember that ship load of missiles from NK bound for Iraq? It makes me wonder...does Saddam have an NK nuclear tipped missile up his sleeve? That could be a nasty shock...

Pres Bush should not have let it go.

	06-02-2003 22:15									#21
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It's probably hard to know but there's a lot of brainwashing going on. There was some documentary about a dutch (I think) delegation to NK that caused some attention a few years ago that visited a school where the kids looked, well strange...

	06-02-2003 22:16									#22
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I'm sure they checked the wareheads, Lancer

	06-02-2003 22:17									#23
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Zylka - Good question.

Milan Kundera (a Czech) wrote about this in his book 'The Joke'. While it applied to May Day parades in his country, the same situation exists in NK. It is a charade, and the people know it.

	06-02-2003 22:33									#24
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quote: Originally posted by Lancer Remember that ship load of missiles from NK bound for Iraq? It makes me wonder...does Saddam have an NK nuclear tipped missile up his sleeve? That could be a nasty shock... Pres Bush should not have let it go.

Are you talking about the missiles that went to Yemen, not Iraq?

	06-02-2003 22:35									#25
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Because the Russians are actually nice People who have Sense...
Why you bother? its the same bullying you do to them. Eat it up.

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The thing to be concerned about, from a U.S. point of view, how involved is China?

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	06-02-2003 22:51									#27
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Garth, yes that's right. Getting senile...

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quote: Originally posted by JohnT "They don't have the missile range to dump a nuke onto U.S. territory...but they might by able to smuggle one on board a ship & park it in L.A. harbor." Heh. If they really want to screw with everybody, park that boat in Tokyo harbor.

They don't have to; they can hit Tokyo with ease...

	06-02-2003 23:02									#29
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quote: Originally posted by Lancer Pres Bush should not have let it go.

He had to, sweetheart. He didn't have a leg to stand on.

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not having a leg to stand on doesnt seem to have been a problem for him in his decision making in the past