10-02-2003 23:58									#61
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The FOPGians seem to be a sad and pathetic lot given thier lack of recent accomplishments. Let them have thier delusion that Alexander was FOPGian. If they prefer a comfortable lie to the truth, who are we to judge.

	11-02-2003 00:10									#62
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the only sad thing around here is your troll moneypenny.

On the contrary I think we have managed rather well considering our size and where we came from.

You only need to look at the state of our neighboring countries to see how we fared.
Albania, FYROM, Bulgaria and Turkey. I'd say we live far better and have progressed much more than them.

Through struggles of course.

And yes we do have a glorious history too.

I refrain from making a troll about Americans since they are currently the laughing stock of forums worldwide

	11-02-2003 00:15									#63
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More FOPGian sound and fury signifing nothing. Exactly what I have come to expect from the likes of you.

	11-02-2003 00:16									#64
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quote: Originally posted by Lefty Scaevola Demosthenes. Tpical of modern media and some hystarians to elevate the the rhetoric of one firebrand into being the opinion of a people.

Yep Demosthenes. Great orator. Alexander was pretty much pissed.


DD- LOL...

	11-02-2003 00:48									#65
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quote: Originally posted by Lefty Scaevola Demosthenes. Tpical of modern media and some hystarians to elevate the the rhetoric of one firebrand into being the opinion of a people.

Kind of like Chruchill, only in Demosthenes case his Hilter won. (Macedon)

Alexander's overrated, it was Philiph and the General
staff and tough Macedonian people that conquered
Greece then Asia.

Alexander was a brave soldier in leading his men in
battle, he would have been a sergarent if not for his
royal birth.

	11-02-2003 01:18									#66
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Don't you think Alexander deserves a say?

Well here's what he said:

quote: Men of Athens... Had I not greatly at heart the common welfare of Hellas I should not have come to tell you; but I am myself Hellene by descent, and I would not willingly see Hellas exchange freedom for slavery.... If you prosper in this war, forget not to do something for my freedom; consider the risk I have run, out of zeal for the Hellenic cause, to acquaint you with what Mardonius intends, and to save you from being surprised by the barbarians. I am Alexander of Macedon."

(Herodotus, The Histories, 9.45)

	11-02-2003 01:52									#67
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Herodotus is not known for being terribly accurate, pattycakes.

	11-02-2003 01:55									#68
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No **** he said he was Greek. But the Greeks of the time didn't agree.

He wanted the Greeks to stop fighting him and help him fight others.

	11-02-2003 01:56									#69
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I think what this thread proved is that it's not Canadians who don't know Greek history; it's Greeks.

	11-02-2003 01:59									#70
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Oh yeah he was Greek. There's not a shadow of a doubt about this.

quote: "The country by the sea which is now called Macedonia ... Alexander I, the father of Perdiccas (II), and his forefathers, who were originally Temenidae from Argos."

(Thuc. II, 99, 3 )


But Demosthenes wanted to discredit him as "barbarian"
so that Athens wouldn't lose its hegemony over Greece to Macedonia.

	11-02-2003 02:01									#71
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It's called desperately clinging to some semblance of greatness when your civilization's been in decline for the last 2500 years or so.

	11-02-2003 02:02									#72
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Well Frogger, Canadians... noone gives a rats ass about them, might as well never had existed and they proved they dont know jack ass about history either.

Theonly gradifying fact is a friend of mine who visited Canada and got layed 3 days a week.

But thats also a proof of lackof men in Canada....

laughable nation by all regards.

	11-02-2003 02:02									#73
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quote: Originally posted by Frogger He wanted the Greeks to stop fighting him and help him fight others.

imagine yourself conquering a foreign nation. the war is over, you've won. and you decide to adopt the foreigners' nationality so that they stop fighting you(even if they have stopped fighting, since, you know, you've just won)?????

not even fyromian propagandists dont dare to say something that stupid....

	11-02-2003 02:03									#74
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quote: Originally posted by Kontiki It's called desperately clinging to some semblance of greatness when your civilization's been in decline for the last 2500 years or so.

oh hardly.
its called knowing your own history.

	11-02-2003 02:05									#75
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quote: Originally posted by MarkG not even fyromian propagandists dont dare to say something that stupid....

true

	11-02-2003 02:21									#76
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Actually, that's exactly what it was, MarkG.

He came in, raped the Greek armies and then gave them a cookie so they'd join his army.

	11-02-2003 02:23									#77
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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 Well Frogger, Canadians... noone gives a rats ass about them, might as well never had existed and they proved they dont know jack ass about history either. Theonly gradifying fact is a friend of mine who visited Canada and got layed 3 days a week. But thats also a proof of lackof men in Canada.... laughable nation by all regards.

Good for him. But how is getting buggered 3 times a week proof of a lack of men?

	11-02-2003 02:25									#78
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quote: Originally posted by Sir Og The Bulgarian state that was formed in 7AD united the Slavs and the Bulgarians into one nation.

In 7AD the area was firmly under the control of the Roman Empire and the Bulgars were riding around on their horses somewhere in Central Asia.

	11-02-2003 02:25									#79
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quote: Originally posted by Frogger He came in, raped the Greek armies and then gave them a cookie so they'd join his army.

i'm imagining hitler taking over france and then proclaiming "i'm french, love me!"

	11-02-2003 02:28									#80
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Hitler wasn't as smart as Alexander. And the French aren't as stupid as the Greeks.

	11-02-2003 02:31									#81
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quote: Originally posted by MarkG imagine yourself conquering a foreign nation. the war is over, you've won. and you decide to adopt the foreigners' nationality so that they stop fighting you

Like so many conquerors throughout history. Ever wonder why China is still Chinese despite being conquered by Turks, Mongols, and Manchus. Why did the Germans adopt the Roman language and religion and eventually, the name? Normans and Vikings became English.

	11-02-2003 02:31									#82
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quote: imagine yourself conquering a foreign nation. the war is over, you've won. and you decide to adopt the foreigners' nationality so that they stop fighting you(even if they have stopped fighting, since, you know, you've just won)?????

I can't believe you are ignorant of history, Mark.

Alexander, after conquering Persia, took a Persian wife and declared himself to be Persian as well. It was a historic event, which showed how tolerant (and smart) Alexander was.

OH... and Machiavelli also says you should do exactly that .

	11-02-2003 02:32									#83
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LOl @ Frogger. He gave your girls the lovin' you are unable to give.

Which makes you sissies on top of living in propably the most obsolete and unimportant nation this earth has ever seen

	11-02-2003 02:33									#84
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you're confusing cultural adaptation to a leader's "winning speech"....

	11-02-2003 02:33									#85
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quote: The only gradifying fact is a friend of mine who visited Canada and got layed 3 days a week. But that's also a proof of lack of men in Canada.... laughable nation by all regards.

Paiktis:

I think we've done pretty well for ourselves in the last 135 years, to go from a backwards British colony to one of the group of seven economies.

How long were the Greeks occupied by the Turks?

	11-02-2003 02:34									#86
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He was having sex with women? I thought you said he was Greek...

	11-02-2003 02:34									#87
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no comparison.

BTW it's funny to see you lose in historical arguments and then just lashing out

poor canadians...

	11-02-2003 02:37									#88
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Hah. Who here thinks the Greeks are getting schooled?

	11-02-2003 02:39									#89
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bof all the trolls of course.
Yet the historical data has slapped you in the face for all to see

and with ease...

no wonder your girls are runign after greek dicks with a vengange

	11-02-2003 02:52									#90
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Actually I see Alexander and the Macedonia of that time, a bit like Bismarck and Prussia.

One of the many Greek nations of the time reuinted the other greeks under its rule, and then turned outside to foreigners.

Macedonia at the time was a region populated by Greeks, but Greece was not united, just like Germany and Prussia of the 1860s, Prussia was one of the many German states, which eventually conquered/united all of the others (same thing about Savoy and Italy). The only difference is that that happened 2500 earlier, and that the other Greeks were not so willing of giving up their independence in the name of a "greater Greece"

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