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Arnelos is offline Arnelos
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Regardless of what Civilization we pick, there are certain things we'll obviously want to customize.

Unlike the SPDG, where the name of the civ was left as the "Egyptians", even though we are "Apolytonia", we should change ALL of the names for this game to be consistent with the name "Apolyton" as our nation/civilization.

Btw... in my opinion, it should be "Apolyton", not "Apolytonia" for the same reason that the Roman civilization is called "Rome" rather than "Romania"

Seriously, the site is "Apolyton" and it wouldn't hurt to have our civ, site, and capital city to all be named exactly the same

As for other customization options, our civ leader should be Markos. The Banana is great and all, but the suggestion was made before that Markos could be something like the "Honorary President" of our team, even though he doesn't play a role other than to admin/mod the private forum and provide assistance where requested. But given that this game is a representation of Apolyton to the inter-civsite community, using Markos as our civ leader name would be appropriate.

As for civ color and other issues, not sure about those. I'd be tempted to see if the "Apolyton Team" of admins/mods would like to get together and tell us what they think the official Apolyton color should be. Or we can have posters from the ENTIRE site (not just inside this private forum) vote on it (sorta like the hall of fame awards, etc.). That would be sorta neat. Making it a news item wouldn't be hard and it would raise the visibility of the team and the inter-site game.

So, here are my proposals for customization options:

Civ Name: Apolyton
Noun: Apolytonians
Adjective: Apolytonian
Leader Name: Markos
Leader Title: ???
Civ Color: ???

Arnelos is offline Arnelos
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The idea is that we'd essentially have a constitutional monarchy or a republic with a functionally powerless head of state (much like many contemporary European republics where the "President" has very limited functions other than for assisting with the stewardship of the political system and the "Prime Minister" and his cabinet are the actual government along with Parliament).

In this manner, Markos could be our "Head of State" while our "President" (or whatever we re-name this individual's title) would be our "Head of Government".

c'mon... it would be cool

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So Markos would be President or King (but a powerless one ) while our ingame "president" would be instead the Prime Minister (title more familiar for europeans). That would fit with our Republic type of Constitution and government.

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I like it.

btw, important colours in Hellas are Light Blue (like Spain) and... I can't remember.

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btw, we could have an Imperator and 3 Consuls.

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I like the idea of Arnelos, too, quite a lot - it is much better than making Markos our "Honorary President just. Light blue sounds good to me (Greek flag is light blue and white, IIRC).

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We're also going to need a list of city names to pick from. We can poll on that every time, or let a (different) minister or consul pick one, but that will not create much consistency.

The other option is to choose a 'theme' from which to choose the names. The theme could be the Apolyton site itself, civilization in general, Civ III:PTW, a General theme, or something else that we're all familiar with.

Example city lists:
Apolyton
Forum
Thread
Team
Ming
DanQ
Greece
...

Civilization
Consul
Senate
Republic
Democracy
Elections
Government
...

Play the World
Warrior
Explorer
Scout
Tank
Temple
Civilopedia
...

General Theme
Nice City Spot
SmallTown
Military Border
Founded Here
Don't Raze Me
We're Winning
...

Aidun is offline Aidun
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Originally posted by Arnelos
Regardless of what Civilization we pick, there are certain things we'll obviously want to customize.

Unlike the SPDG, where the name of the civ was left as the "Egyptians", even though we are "Apolytonia", we should change ALL of the names for this game to be consistent with the name "Apolyton" as our nation/civilization.

Btw... in my opinion, it should be "Apolyton", not "Apolytonia" for the same reason that the Roman civilization is called "Rome" rather than "Romania"

Seriously, the site is "Apolyton" and it wouldn't hurt to have our civ, site, and capital city to all be named exactly the same

Civ Name: Apolyton
Noun: Apolytonians
Adjective: Apolytonian
Leader Name: Markos
Leader Title: ???
Civ Color: ???


Eh, Arnelos, If you prefer to name our civ Apolyton, the correct noun should them be Apolytons and the adjective Apolyton. Apolytonians and Apolytonian refers to Apolytonia. Compare: the Romans were called Romans and not Romanians and their adjective was Roman instead of Romanian.

BTW, I support the idea of calling our civ Apolyton.

Aidun

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Originally posted by Tiberius
So Markos would be President or King (but a powerless one ) while our ingame "president" would be instead the Prime Minister (title more familiar for europeans). That would fit with our Republic type of Constitution and government.


I like this. An we in Spain are used to that ;-) I suggest to give Markos the "Emperor" tittle. This sounds even more powerful than "President".

Hot_Enamel is offline Hot_Enamel
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Not too sure how many members we have yet, but I like using our names for cities

Mt Arnelos
Tiberius Pass
notyoueithertown
vondrackville
Shire of BigFurryMonster
Aidun Plains
Enamel Range
etc etc etc.......

OliverFA is offline OliverFA
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General Theme
Nice City Spot
SmallTown
Military Border
Founded Here
Don't Raze Me
We're Winning
...


I like that theme! Just imagine a city called "I'm an Apolyton city and you not"

This could also be used to honore former consuls or heros of our civilization.

OliverFA is offline OliverFA
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Eh, Arnelos, If you prefer to name our civ Apolyton, the correct noun should them be Apolytons and the adjective Apolyton. Apolytonians and Apolytonian refers to Apolytonia. Compare: the Romans were called Romans and not Romanians and their adjective was Roman instead of Romanian.


I'm not a liguist but this sounds better to me

Aeson is offline Aeson
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I have proof that orange is the color we should use... just I can't attach it... Would you argue with Achilles and Ajax about the color?

http://www.loggia.com/art/ancient/images/archaic03.gif

(it would be so much more convincing if I could post the picture side by side with the Team color box in the PtW editor with the proper oranges selected)

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hi ,

leader tittle > G-D , banana king , almighty one , ......

color > light blue

have a nice day

Aidun is offline Aidun
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Originally posted by Hot_Enamel
Not too sure how many members we have yet, but I like using our names for cities

Mt Arnelos
Tiberius Pass
notyoueithertown
vondrackville
Shire of BigFurryMonster
Aidun Plains
Enamel Range
etc etc etc.......


What an honour Hot_enamel, to have a city named after me.

How about Aidunburgh or Aidunborough, sounds like Edinburgh/ Edinborough .

Aidun

dejon is offline dejon
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quote:
Originally posted by Hot_Enamel
Not too sure how many members we have yet, but I like using our names for cities

Mt Arnelos
Tiberius Pass
notyoueithertown
vondrackville
Shire of BigFurryMonster
Aidun Plains
Enamel Range
etc etc etc.......


With 60 members and growing, this is not really feasible.

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Oh but how many will actually be active? The SPDG has near 200 - there can't be many more than 30-40 voting, and a dozen or so actually posting.

OliverFA is offline OliverFA
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Yes, let's honour the name of these ones who are actually active. And also remember that not only cities must be named. Also mountains, rivers, valleys...

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Sorry to mention our Legoland way of doing things so often, but... we actually use a mixture of names based upon geographical features and names of our members (or proposed by our members). Sometimes it is easier to remember the location in relation to a river, peak, or other landmark, sometimes it's fine to name the city according to its intended function, and sometimes there is nothing really significant you could name it after... so then, it's time for a "proprietary" name. Works pretty well, I would say.

Regarding fancy names like "I am an Apolyton town, you not, he!"... they may be funny, but when you want to refer to them, errrm... IAATYNH?! Not for me, thank you... To keep referring to cities and landmarks as easy as possible, I would suggest using simple, distinct names just like those in the real world. Preferrably ones that you will have no troubles associating with where the corresponding city actually is located.

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Oh? I thought all your cities were named "Legopolis"

I once proposed to make a rotating scheme of city names to use, and then change it every turn to confuse the enemy. Of course, in a team game, it'll also confuse ourselves.

Anyway, seriously: the two main Q's are:

  • Do we pick the names 1-by-1 or from a (generally supported) theme?
  • Do we poll on every name or let the government decide?

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Oh? I thought all your cities were named "Legopolis"


Exactly; Mount Legopolis, Port Legopolis, Flat Place Legopolis, etc. See, it's a very easy system to use.

But, seriously, naming cities either for geographic feature or their intended purpose is generally a much easier way of keeping track of things. Gold Mountain, Settlerville; it can even be used in conjunction with player names, if people really want that.

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It will be awhile in RL time before our second city is built (unless of couse we get that perfecr starting spot between two wheat stalks ) so we have some time to debate this, but we will need a team colour sooner than later.

I have heard two suggestions - the Hellas light blue, and the orange tinge from Greek Pottery. Any other thoughts?

And I vote for Markos to be 'Emperor'.

Arnelos is offline Arnelos
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Have we thought of using Greek or Latin words for city names. I like to do that in my multiplayer games some times and it adds a certain coolness value.

If we were playing as the Greeks, naming our cities after various concepts in Greek would be really neat. Even using Latin to fill in further might be alright (unless we want to stick to Greek). Concept names such as "Civilization", "Glory", "Honor", "Expedition", "Monument", "Power", "Greatness", "Knowledge", "Wisdom", "Truth", or whatever concepts you want to use or feel are appropriate to various cities. Conversely, you can use a more SMAC-ish naming scheme with such words and translate them from stuff like "Monument to Truth", "Sentinel of Freedom", "Fortress of Glory", etc.

Such city/base names in my civ-like games just seem VERY cool to me. I typically like to use Latin words, but if we're playing as Apolyton/Greek (even if our civ is Carthage or another civ3 civ), using Greek instead of Latin might be best.

You will note that among the cities I got to name in the SPDG, I named one "Heroes' Summit" in honor of the many cavalry that died to take the city on a hills tile I named a city in the hills to the south "Arcadia", which is actually a pastoral hills region of RL Greece, I believe (the word, at least in English, having a meaning attached to calmness and that which is pastoral). On the flat grasslands of what I believed to be peaceful Uber Isle, I named "Solace" (and then the Zulus attacked it! stupid Shaka...).

But it remains that concept-based names have a very high coolness value to me... much better than the tackyness of naming cities after posters. But that's just my personal taste

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I vote for Latin.

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Emperor Markos as our leader. Or maybe Diety Markos? He has the posts for it.
Civ Color: Bab blue. It's the best color in the game.
City names: Good idea Arnelos. I'd vote for Greek, but Latin is good too. Or maybe a mix?

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Perhaps our Palace should use the European style?

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Perhaps our Palace should use the European style?


Oooh.... we should mod whatever civilization we have to use the classical cities style!!! (if we can mod).

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how about default names?

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how about default names?


Please read the first post in the thread

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I'm all for Latin and Roman-related names. How do "Faesulae" and "Arma Virumque" sound?

Civ color... How 'bout blue? (Babylonian blue or American/Chinese light blue would be fine.)

 
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