13-02-2003 08:58									#61
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We need progressive taxes. Hell, I read somewhere that the lower 50% contributes only about 5% of total tax revenue. Lets stop taxing them on income. Sales tax is terribly regressive. So are speeding tickets. Lets progressify speeding tix.

	13-02-2003 08:58									#62
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He just chooses to redefine standard economic terms to justify a fraudulent claim he made on the first page.

	13-02-2003 09:00									#63
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Mine was suppose to trickle down here in 1980 I think. I never got it.

	13-02-2003 09:02									#64
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Next we'll have to explain why a poll tax is regressive taxation.

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quote: Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia We need progressive taxes. Hell, I read somewhere that the lower 50% contributes only about 5% of total tax revenue. Lets stop taxing them on income. Sales tax is terribly regressive. So are speeding tickets. Lets progressify speeding tix.

You don't HAVE to speed you know. Just kidding, everyone does it once in a while.

	13-02-2003 09:03									#66
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Just because the tax is flat, it doesnt mean that it isnt regressive. The percentage of tax is the same, but the percentage of that tax on someone's income is a lot more on the poor then on the rich. That is what makes it regressive.

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*claps* now just explain that to DF, and you win.

	13-02-2003 09:04									#68
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Which is why when you are rich, you have more of an incentive to speed because a $100 ticket doesnt mean as much to you as to a poor person who makes $300 a week.

	13-02-2003 09:05									#69
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frogger,

What's the point. I think he can only talk to other libertarians. He chooses his own definitions for terms.

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He's giving libertarians a bad name. I'm one, after all.

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You catch on quick

	13-02-2003 09:06									#72
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LoA,

true, I hadn't thought about it that way. No that I think about it the people in nicer cars do seem to speed more

	13-02-2003 09:06									#73
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There is one big plus about a national sales tax, it will put all goods on the same playing field. Right now, goods made here are taxed at various levels while foreign goods are exempt from many of these taxes. A national sales tax would impose the same tax on all goods...

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Explain your second sentence please.

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That's a good argument for a small national sales tax, but for sales tax to replace income tax is something else entirely.

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Goingonit,

Can you tell us what the hell he was trying to say?

	13-02-2003 09:10									#77
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I'm not sure I get it, but in the US you do need brick-and-mortar operations in a state to have to pay its income taxes. So if you're a foreign or out-of-state internet- or catalog-only merchant, you're exempt from state income tax.

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EDITed

because I'm wrong, I think

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quote: Originally posted by Berzerker Right now, goods made here are taxed at various levels while foreign goods are exempt from many of these taxes.

Can you give me an example?

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quote: Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia Sales tax is terribly regressive. So are speeding tickets. Lets progressify speeding tix.

The Finns have professive speeding tickets You can also make VAT tax progressive.

	13-02-2003 09:14									#81
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Yeah, a luxury tax is kind of like a progressive VAT.

	13-02-2003 09:14									#82
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger You can also make VAT tax progressive.

Not practically. You're going to give a full disclosure when you go to the store?

But what Loinburger said was right.

	13-02-2003 09:15									#83
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But it's complicated to implement, I would think.

More like a nightmare...

	13-02-2003 09:15									#84
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Btw, this thread is just more proof that liberals hate treating people equally under the law.

	13-02-2003 09:15									#85
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quote: Originally posted by Goingonit Not practically. You're going to give a full disclosure when you go to the store?

See loinie's post.

Charge 50% tax on furs and 0% tax on groceries

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quote: Originally posted by Goingonit I'm not sure I get it, but in the US you do need brick-and-mortar operations in a state to have to pay its income taxes. So if you're a foreign or out-of-state internet- or catalog-only merchant, you're exempt from state income tax.

I think that's true. Only if you buy from somebody in your state that you need to pay the state sales tax (not income tax I don't think).

But the state sales tax is to fund to the state's government, but the national tax is to fund the federal government, they are completely different beasts.

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Do they have transfer payments in the US?

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quote: Originally posted by Berzerker Btw, this thread is just more proof that liberals hate treating people equally under the law.

No, it's just more proof that classical libertarians try to disguise their marked preference for the upper echelons of society with talk of fairness.

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quote: Originally posted by Goingonit Not practically. You're going to give a full disclosure when you go to the store? But what Loinburger said was right.

Not on how much you have, but how much you spend. So you get taxed a lot more on a 20 meter yacht than a compact car.

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quote: Originally posted by Goingonit Do they have transfer payments in the US?

Yes. People are pissed off right now that Dubya didn't share the wealth with the states in his latest proposals.