16-02-2003 03:28									#1
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in CTW i would like to see an option to start with more stuff. you get 1-2 cities with some farms, buildings and a few troops. so you have to spend several minutes building up and geting in techs.

if you could start with much more people(you get 5-6 citizens) and resources it would save up time, without loosing much of the first-minutes strategy....

	16-02-2003 05:36									#2
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It doesn't come with free shares in BHG.

	16-02-2003 06:15									#3
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IMO, CtW itself. I was expecting much more, but now I'm looking the other way. It just seems way too limited. I myself was expecting an EUII-style game, with RoN mechanics, but reading about it now, and with the release approaching, I don't think it will undergo any significant changes..

	16-02-2003 08:06									#4
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quote: Originally posted by MarkG in CTW i would like to see an option to start with more stuff. you get 1-2 cities with some farms, buildings and a few troops. so you have to spend several minutes building up and geting in techs. if you could start with much more people(you get 5-6 citizens) and resources it would save up time, without loosing much of the first-minutes strategy....

Mark

This is what I like about Call To Power, the ability to start with say 9 settlers and start at a later stage instead 1 settler and ancient.

Good Call!!

Grandpa Troll

	16-02-2003 22:39									#5
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Multiplayer wont be hosted on Battlenet.

edit:Also the way units turns into blobs when they go behind buildings. Surely there's a more aesthetic solution.

Last edited by HalfLotus on 16-02-2003 at 22:44

	16-02-2003 23:48									#6
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I don't like that we can't choose the starting and ending age for CTW.

	17-02-2003 00:43									#7
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And don't forget HalfLotus' edit comment about behind buildings theponyguy1!

	17-02-2003 05:25									#8
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Whats with the hard ons for CTW? MP is way more fun than a SP scenario. I guess it'll be cool, but damn.

	17-02-2003 05:43									#9
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Very true, HalfLotus. RoN was designed from the ground up to be a mulitplayer game.

What does suck is that I wasn't hired to work on it

	17-02-2003 05:55									#10
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the only thing that that could ever suck with Rise Of Nations if i don't win one of these things

	17-02-2003 06:29									#11
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and another point, as far as I can tell, very few have actually played this game yet. I love gaming via PC. modding (scenario making) but I hope this will be the game many of us anticipate

I dont think any should panic, think ctw "Sucks", or kick or yet even "edify" this game..

Lets await and see for ourselves!!!

I have monitored many a forum discussion on new games, everyone gets all hyped up about what it will or wont do, "press releases" come and go, some honest and forthright some eye candy to keep us "Pacified", a lot more , however, are to pacify us. The game gets released and off we go "patching" the game to meet acceptable standards.

Be patient all and soon we shall see exactly how RoN fares with each individual's review

\Peace
unto all!!

Grandpa Troll

	17-02-2003 08:20									#12
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I'm hoping its gonna be a real "strategy" game and not a clickfest. And I'd wager my left nut that it'll be better than Civ3.

	17-02-2003 08:26									#13
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quote: Originally posted by HalfLotus I'm hoping its gonna be a real "strategy" game and not a clickfest. And I'd wager my left nut that it'll be better than Civ3.

Not that I want any extra "Cahoona's" but I also hope it is more strategy than ..to quote you my friend.."Click Fest"

Soon we shall know!!!


Time.....

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	17-02-2003 13:10									#14
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quote: I'm hoping its gonna be a real "strategy" game and not a clickfest.

as a TBS player i was "disgusted" to see that in the end-game stats creens, RoN also has listings of the players based on number of clicks

	17-02-2003 20:03									#15
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MarkG - Actually, as an old-school TBS player, I love the speed stats. I often have a much lower speed score than my foe. Winning against people with higher speed scores goes to strategy having the ability to win over frantic clicking.

	17-02-2003 20:23									#16
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you have a point, but we shouldnt have to have these stats to back something that is certainly a fact (except as a comparison with other games)

	17-02-2003 23:04									#17
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The speed stats thing was in AoK, IIRC. I liked it for the same reason that paul said: to compare the wrist-to-strategy ratios.

But I have no illusions about RoN being an RTS game; the more efficient gamer- wrist and strategy wise- will win.

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quote: The speed stats thing was in AoK, IIRC

No.

	18-02-2003 00:05									#19
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I could care less that there's a speed stat. It doesnt affect the importance of clicking vs strategy. Worry about the system rewarding tactics more than speed. That there is a stat for it is immaterial.

	18-02-2003 02:30									#20
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I don't like that CTW is not a MP. I don't like that there is more options for it. But I will live.

Other than that, the game isn't out yet. What am I supposed to say "sucks" about it? I am sure there will be bugs that I am not happy about but even those have not materialized yet so I am just looking forward to this one.

	18-02-2003 02:53									#21
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quote: Originally posted by Solver quote: The speed stats thing was in AoK, IIRC No.

Must have been another RTS I saw it in then. Could be Earth 2150, Cossacks, heck maybe even Dark Reign 2, but its definately not a new thing.

	18-02-2003 06:17									#22
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speed stats, i thought everone had it

	19-02-2003 23:42									#23
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Well I don't like the fact that I'm not playing it right now. Or have a demo/beta.


Another thing is that there wont be a CTW type funtion in multiplayer game (Or maybe they'll implememnt it?) anyone play total annihilation kingdoms. Sadly I did and I loved the idea of contesting areas. Why not have it implemetned in a patch or expansion?

	12-03-2003 00:19									#24
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Speedstats = Empire Earth, it's a good way to see if you're learning your hotkeys because it also shows the number of hotkeys pressed.

RoN will probably be a bit more AoE than Civ.
Rushing will most likely dominate the game after a few months, which is not necessarily a bad thing.

The thing I don't like about RoN is the auto transport, that totally ruins watermaps for me. Being able to just treat water like it's land really takes out a level of strategy on watermaps.
Deciding when and where to build a dock and transport is often a very crucial decision on watermaps.
Hopefully they'll change this feature or better yet, take it out.

For those of you who think it's a cool feature because it takes out some of the 'tedious clicking' I'd have to say I find the tedious clicking involved in placing all your buildings at every city much worse.

	12-03-2003 02:53									#25
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The rush dominating IS a bad thing, it's what killed AOE for me, i played a few WONDERFUL games that lasted 2 hours which huge 150+ unit battles in AoK, then every other game was rush and loose in 5 mins. How BORING. As far as i can tell the rush won't be deadly in this game if you know how to defend it (whereas there was no defence for the rush in AoK except to rush the other guy faster) but will still be a viable strategy in terms of raiding your oponants econ. It won't kill them, but it will hurt them a little if they don't take steps to stop it.

I can't speak for the building placement, but remember that if you build towers/forts around your island's coasts, any incomming transports will be MEAT to those towers. They can't fight back until they hit the beach and they have very low hit points. Water certainly can't be treated as land. I do like the idea of forcing tranports to be built at docks (so you click in the water and your units go to the closest dock in order to build and get into the water themselves), but not sure if they'll do that.

	12-03-2003 23:21									#26
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The Rush isn't intended to kill, it's intended to slow you down (even though it often slows me down more than the guy I'm rushing )

Ofcourse you can stop transports with towers around your island, but the idea of a transport often is to slip a few villagers onto your opponent's island before he gets a chance to build all those towers.

As for the autotransport, imagine this scenario: You're in one of the later stages in the game on an island map. Your main force is on Crete and has just annihilated it's puny civilisation. Now you wanna get to the next island asap but you don't have any transports with you, nor do you have any villagers on Crete. The seas between your homeland and Crete are crawling with enemy ships. What do you do? Just 'walk' over to the next island, cause there's no need to strategically think ahead to send a transport or two to Crete (the ones that got you there, were sunk earlier btw). There's no way your army on Crete can just magically build transports in the blink of an eye, without even a single dock on the island.

That, in a nutshell, is why I think autotransport stinks.

	13-03-2003 00:16									#27
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Tass, have you tried to turn off the graphics options??

	13-03-2003 02:15									#28
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I think it would run just fine on your old system, unless it's too old, as long as you stick a GeForce 3 400 64 MB or something along these lines in.

I'm surely not going to mention the excellent performance I'm getting after the recent upgrade (damn ****ers, no processors better than 1.8 ghz in the country, but still very satisfied here ).

	13-03-2003 22:26									#29
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Tass, get a GeForce 4 TI-4600... best bang for your buck!

What sucks about RoN? I don't have it.

	21-03-2003 04:30									#30
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The fact that you can't rotate. In AOM rotating was an important thing for me. I didn't want to see horrific blobs ruining my immense mountain landscape, so I rotated so I could see my men and the landscape without the blobs.

What'll it be like in RoN when the full version is released?