16-02-2003 03:58									#31
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quote: The Treaty of Versailles

Yet another French contribution to the world. I can't believe no one's mentioned the French Revolution yet...

	16-02-2003 04:03									#32
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Creation of Islam or Chernobyl explosion.

	16-02-2003 04:03									#33
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The US Declaration Of Independence and proceeding war

	16-02-2003 04:05									#34
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Woohoo, Troll Fest!

	16-02-2003 04:06									#35
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I agree, US declararation of Independence for me too.

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Since it's so cool to be anti-europe in general, and also stereotype europeans together which couldn't be any far from the truth, joking or not, since it's mostly not joking, I'm getting a week off, as a protest. Naturally no one will give a crap, but I feel like I still need to do it.
If you ever doubt Bush, you're anti-US by default, which is crazy of course. And that's not cool, but it's cool to be anti-europe, it's a trend and fun thing and there's nothing wrong with it. It's not racist at all.. sure. Sure, we have lots of euros who bash the US all the time, but that's not cool either. Only difference is, anti-europeanism is accepted and people thinks it's nothing bad. What's the point of defending it, if people continue being arrogant enough to put whole bunch of countries as one, and if something happens in one of these countries, blame the whole bunch from it, and bash all the people and what ever dirty words are used, it's not bad, it's ok? Yep, there is no point. See you later, Ta ta.

	16-02-2003 04:11									#37
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Well Pekka mine wasn't intended as anti-US but just a bit of British-US banter

	16-02-2003 04:16									#38
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PH, I didn't mean you. Or this thread, just in general. I feel that it's worrying how certain attitudes are accepted, and people can't see anything wrong with it. It is all based on not knowing the full facts and backrounds, and taking them into consideration, like all racism in general. Intolerance should not be tolerated.
But now I'm off to bed, see you guys in a week.

	16-02-2003 04:16									#39
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The invention of Penicillin.
The Geneva Convention.
The UN

	16-02-2003 04:18									#40
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quote: Intolerance should not be tolerated.

I'm not laughing at you, Pekka; I just always find that line to be humorous...

	16-02-2003 04:31									#41
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In all seriousness, the rise of Stalin.

	16-02-2003 04:41									#42
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The creation of Adam and Eve by our idiotic god.

	16-02-2003 04:44									#43
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...yeah, and then leaving that fruit on the tree and telling them not to eat it. Doh! What a tw@t! You know, it's like leaving a huge steak in the middle of the floor and telling the dog not to eat it and walking off? What the frig do you think is going to happen?

	16-02-2003 04:47									#44
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Crusades?

	16-02-2003 04:48									#45
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The closure of China, perhaps?

	16-02-2003 04:49									#46
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quote: Originally posted by monkspider I agree, US declararation of Independence for me too.

As for me, I cannot settle with just one choice, so here it goes:

1) invention of nuclear weaponry

2) Inquisition (reinforced the use of religion in name of hatred)

3) American imperialism of the late 19th and early 20th centuries

4) the creation of a nation out of a huge asylum -- France

	16-02-2003 04:49									#47
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Without question, it's the Toba supervolcano eruption (approximately 70,000 years ago). The worldwide human population was reduced to less than 10,000 by the eruption and the global climate change that followed.

	16-02-2003 04:55									#48
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that first monkey which thought "hmm coming down out of the tree might be a good idea"

nah seriously,

I have to say whoever created "religion", it's the root cause of more deaths than anything else put together.

Or maybe the destruction of the sophisticated underground irrigation system which crisscrossed Khwarezm and Persia. Allowing fertile fields, it had sustained a thriving culture since antiquity. Sadly the Mongols weren't too hot on infrastructure and destroyed it. Arabic scholars believe that the region's economy has yet to recover fully from the destruction.

	16-02-2003 05:08									#49
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That was the mesopotamian irrigation system, me thinks.

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The Fall, obviously. Or if you want something less metaphoric, then the near-annihilation of humans that AnnC mentioned.

Of course, I've always thought that we've been on a downward spiral ever since the World Series started to switch to night games.

	16-02-2003 05:24									#51
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Well such thing obviously does not exist, and more likely than not further back you go more damage you make later...

But as a single event than the nuclear bomb. (and defintley its invention is a greatest threat, as we humans are inherently unstable to handle so much power at our fingertips)

	16-02-2003 05:50									#52
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The Holocaust

	16-02-2003 06:05									#53
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quote: Originally posted by muxec Creation of Islam or Chernobyl explosion.

The Crusades, as they appear to be still going...

	16-02-2003 06:10									#54
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quote: Originally posted by Eli Speaking about lots of deaths, the Black Plague also deserves a mention.

Actually, it jump started the Renaissance. Without it, world progress might have been significantly slowed.

I vote for World Wars I-II (as really a continuous war with a hiatus). Still dealing with the fallout of that debacle.

	16-02-2003 06:13									#55
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quote: Originally posted by Clear Skies The births of (variously) Adolph Hitler, Augusto Pinochet, Pol Pot, Osama Bin Laden, Joseph McCarthy...the list goes on. People with such capacity for hatred that the stomach turns.

Such people aren't born, they are made. I don't think Hitler was destined to become such a man, nor were any of the others.

	16-02-2003 06:15									#56
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov Actually, it jump started the Renaissance. Without it, world progress might have been significantly slowed. I vote for World Wars I-II (as really a continuous war with a hiatus). Still dealing with the fallout of that debacle.

Actually, I believe the fall of Byzantium is supposed to have jump started the Renaissance by the forced emigration of Greek scholars and technology to the west.

	16-02-2003 06:17									#57
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quote: Originally posted by Demerzel Actually, I believe the fall of Byzantium is supposed to have jump started the Renaissance by the forced emigration of people and unknown technology to the west.

The plague was the real ignition. The sudden drop in population led to a huge demand for labor. The labor demand led to increased wages, which increased the standard of living. The rise of wealth in post-plague Europe was led to the Renaissance.

	16-02-2003 06:18									#58
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Actually, I've been pondering something. Could the use of Heroin by amongst others, pregnant women in the late 19th century be considered as a factor in the creation of the world's most evil men?

	16-02-2003 06:26									#59
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov The plague was the real ignition. The sudden drop in population led to a huge demand for labor. The labor demand led to increased wages, which increased the standard of living. The rise of wealth in post-plague Europe was led to the Renaissance.

hmm maybe, but the influx of large numbers of influential Greek scholars and their knowledge would nevertheless be a huge part. Especially considering that the Renaissance was about the rediscovery of ancient Greek ideals and the further development of those principles. Pretty big link

	16-02-2003 06:30									#60
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quote: Originally posted by Azazel Actually, I've been pondering something. Could the use of Heroin by amongst others, pregnant women in the late 19th century be considered as a factor in the creation of the world's most evil men?

Impossible ! Bush's mother didn't use heroine !