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Vesayen is offline Vesayen
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Mar 2002
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*chants* U S A U S A U S A....Why is being patriotic &quot;offensive&quot;?(Also C&amp;C Support Apolyton, buy Civilization III: Complete

Couple of things, first off I want to explain what is PROBOABLY one of the top 5 gaming moments I have ever had......it was in Generals...

Im new to playing it online and I was trying a new strategy(I always play the U.S.). I made the most HEIGHNOUS defenses imaginable while my enemy(1v1) took most of the map. I had stam sites 3 tiers thick surrounding my entire base in a circle, wave, after wave, after wave of attacks from air and land(even patriots...they got knocked out) were mutilated.

Eventually we both just statred building TONS of ion cannons(big beam comes from the sky, toasts stuff) and tried to fry each other........we kept trying to knock out each others ions for almost 2 hours.....meanwhile I developed a rather clever plan.

All the while I was making HOARDES AND HOARDES of rangers-which he obviously saw(prison camps let you see the whole map, and we both had several) and kept laughing at me.....

After all, what would rangers do?

I had 80 rangers, I then made 9 transport copters and 16 chinakees(sp? attack copters) he continued to laugh at me, as he LITERALY had the whole map, though it was sparsely defended, he had HOARDES of tanks(hundreds) outside of the entrances to my base waiting-as they couldnt get past my defences.

At this point it had been a stalemate for over FOUR HOURS.........we kept ion'ing each other, we'd rebuilt quickly, he'd send hoardes of troops, my sam's would knock em down....

What followed was something out of a delta force movie....

In a feat of micromanaging I QUICKLY spread out every transport(covered by 2 attack copters) to his 8 main bases, dropped my rangers and........

In about 20 seconds my rangers ran in and captured EVERY power station, ion beam cannon on the ENTIRE MAP: Suddenly his HOARDES of ion cannons(almost all of which were at "ready to launch", he was waiting to make more) and electricity were mine.......

No electricity = no base defenses, so what little scattered sams he had were gone...

LET THE GOOD TIMES ROLL!!!

My scattered attack copters began to eat anything I hadent captured and in true movie fashion I wiped out ALL of his troops with the ion cannons, all the while he is going )(!#^)(#!^(*!#(*^#!

That was one of the best gaming moments I have ever had heh, COMPLETE turn around came off so damn well heh.









If you read this far, here is the second point

Suddenly I felt a huge surge of patriotic pride, thinking of surgigal strikes the U.S. has done in the past, almost all of which were overwhelmingly succesfull(I only lost 4 rangers in the whole thing....1 attack copter)-it seems like latley it is "offensive" or just "distastefull" to be patriotic if your American....

Im sick of you damn euro's criticizing us-it seems ALL you can do is find fault with America-if you dont like us cut off trade and invade if not-shut up.



And all those idiots in our country who do NOTHING but complain, they never try to work in the system, they just moan-and if your patriotic they bash you for it:




*sticks his thumb on his nose and sticks out his tounge*



Come on guys:

U S A U S A U S A
U S A U S A U S A
U S A U S A U S A

Sava is offline Sava
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Mar 2001
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People like you are the reason the terrorists hate us...

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Good God! It's BGH all over again.

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My eyes hurt reading the OP.

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Vesayen is offline Vesayen
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Mar 2002
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People like you are the reason the terrorists hate us...



I am DAMN sick of defending myself against europeans and american yuppies online......they can hate us-at this point im ready to turn France to a sheet of glass lol.

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Not to be nationalistic or anything but the back lash against nationalism is mostly a European phenomenon and I believe it has to do with the creation of the EU itself. The EU represents the hopes for a new united Europe so the intellectual elite have tried to repress individual national identity (and the nationalism it produces) in order to make the integration process run more smoothly. There's nothing wrong with this but understand the situation helps to understand why so many pro-EU politicians wish to paint "old nationalism" in a bad light.

Of course blind nationalism is never good but a healthy dose of nationalism can produce wonders for a states cohesion.

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"Third, we realized from our defence and fighting against the American enemy that, in combat, they mainly depend on psychological warfare.

This is in light of the huge media machine they have.

They also depend on massive air strikes so as to conceal their most prominent point of weakness, which is the fear, cowardliness, and the absence of combat spirit among US soldiers.

Those soldiers are completely convinced of the injustice and lying of their government.

They also lack a fair cause to defend. They only fight for capitalists, usury takers, and the merchants of arms and oil, including the gang of crime at the White House."-

Bin Laden, quoted by BBC

This guy gets to sound more and more reasonable.

MRT144 is offline MRT144
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i dont like patriotism where "if you dont agree with X policy" you are unamerican and unpatriotic. sometimes i wonder if those type of people would love to live in a facsist regime.

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Apr 1999
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quote:
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i dont like patriotism where "if you dont agree with X policy" you are unamerican and unpatriotic. sometimes i wonder if those type of people would love to live in a facsist regime.

Vesayen is offline Vesayen
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i dont like patriotism where "if you dont agree with X policy" you are unamerican and unpatriotic. sometimes i wonder if those type of people would love to live in a facsist regime.



That isnt what im saying, that is bad......part of our great country is a democracy and everyones voice should be heard-however it seems that in real life being patriotic is discouraged because we are "multicultural" and loving america is "disatastefull/politically incorect".

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This guy gets to sound more and more reasonable.


Now if we could only get you to do the same.

Comrade Tribune is offline Comrade Tribune
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quote:
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That isnt what im saying, that is bad......part of our great country is a democracy and everyones voice should be heard-however it seems that in real life being patriotic is discouraged because we are "multicultural" and loving america is "disatastefull/politically incorect".


OBL is not multicultural, he is sure patriotic, but he is still not loving America...
Something wrong here with your logic.

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quote:
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"Third, we realized from our defence and fighting against the American enemy that, in combat, they mainly depend on psychological warfare.

This is in light of the huge media machine they have.

They also depend on massive air strikes so as to conceal their most prominent point of weakness, which is the fear, cowardliness, and the absence of combat spirit among US soldiers.

Those soldiers are completely convinced of the injustice and lying of their government.

They also lack a fair cause to defend. They only fight for capitalists, usury takers, and the merchants of arms and oil, including the gang of crime at the White House."-

Bin Laden, quoted by BBC

This guy gets to sound more and more reasonable.


If you believe this you are insane....this isnt a forced army-no one is currently in the American army who dosent want to be there-there is no draft, there is no compulsary service-your there because you want to be.......There is no morale problem and if you believe bin laden's propoganda you are an idiot.

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there is no draft, there is no compulsary service-your there because you want to be.......


...or because you are a starving illiterate?

Vesayen is offline Vesayen
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...or because you are a starving analphabet?



I cant spell, so sue me lol.

Lonestar is offline Lonestar
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I cant spell, so sue me lol.


Well, for Bog's sake try. You're the "stupid American" if you can't take the time for simple spelling...

Or putting an apostrophe in "Can't"!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just saying, it ain't helping your argument.

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I cant spell, so sue me lol.


You didnīt get me. I was saying the reason someone joins the army is...

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I see our Austrian troll has shown up again.

If America were as evil as you blieve, you would not be here posting ignorant crap, but be slaving in an US concentration/extermination camp.

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They also depend on massive air strikes so as to conceal their most prominent point of weakness, which is the fear, cowardliness, and the absence of combat spirit among US soldiers.





Next time you're in California I'll take you to meet some of the Force Recon Devil Dogs and then you can discuss this matter with them.

See if you come back alive.

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I see our Austrian troll has shown up again.

If America were as evil as you blieve, you would not be here posting ignorant crap, but be slaving in an US concentration/extermination camp.


Like the political prisoners in Guantanamo?

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USA!

MRT144 is offline MRT144
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"ain't" isnt even a word. see how stupid debating grammar is? i dont even capatilize the first letter of my sentences!

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You didnīt get me. I was saying the reason someone joins the army is...


Now, THAT is just asinine. Am I stupid (or "Ignorant") because I'm in the USN? I sure hope not, I consider myself fairly bright.

Most of the soldiers at this base (it's a DoD-wide training command, so all 4 services, plus Coast Guard and the occasionaly foreigner) I've met are bright and always willing to learn.

The Airman are damn smart too.

Even the "Uh-rah!" Marines know their stuff inside out. The American Military, ALL aspects of it, is so high-tech we can't have idiots join. Or people with "bad attitudes".

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I will admit though the Marines I talk to all talk about how they have nightmares about fighting the Austrian Navy.

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If you're so patriotic, Striker, why do you have that flag as your avatar?

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another daft argument turning into an even dafter flamewar.

We all know the SAS are the best in the world ( though the SBS might dispute it )

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Like the political prisoners in Guantanamo?


Poor Babies! Those guys should be given every right to talk to their terrorists overlords and/or Taliban masters!


MRT

SWOOSH!!!!!!!!!!

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I see it's hard for you to connect two points with a dotted line huh Sava?

 
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