18-02-2003 04:18									#1
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/2774003.stm

North Korea has threatened to pull out of the armistice agreement that ended the Korean War, accusing the United States of breaking the terms of the truce
The statement, carried by the official Korean Central News Agency (KCNA), accused the United States of breaking the truce by bolstering its forces in the region and mounting a naval blockade.

Earlier on Monday, the United States and South Korea announced they would stage joint military exercises in South Korea next month, in a move which was thought likely to heighten tensions with the North.

The two countries have been at loggerheads with each other over the last few months after it was revealed North Korea planned to revive its nuclear programme.

Although the armistice agreement ended the Korean War in 1953, the North and South have never signed a peace treaty.

"The agreement that was signed to provide a peaceful solution to the Korean issue has been systematically ditched by the US and used for the purpose of its hostile policy towards the DPRK [North Korea]," said a Korean People's Army spokesman in the statement.

"If the US side continues violating and misusing the armistice agreement as it pleases, there will be no need for the DPRK to remain bound to the AA [armistice agreement] uncomfortably."

North Korea has already warned the US against any military build-up in the region.

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This gets scarier and scarier.

	18-02-2003 04:26									#2
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They are insane.

	18-02-2003 04:26									#3
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I think the EU needs to send troops to replace US forces. This guy to the North of the 38th parallel is really crazy and a lot of Americans could end up being killed. It is high time for the Euros to take up some of the burden of policing the world against the insane.

	18-02-2003 04:27									#4
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The scariest thing is it is largly unknown how the Chinese will react when we do start getting serious forces over there.

	18-02-2003 04:29									#5
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Maybe if the EU was there, then we wouldn't have had Bush shouting his mouth off about North Korea being part of an axis of evil and thus the thawing of relations between North and South Korea could have kept happening.

Hey British troops seem to be used for peackeeping nearly everywhere anyway, why not somewhere else. From recent memory we've kept the peace in Bosnia, Sierra Leone, Afghanistan - sure we'll do South Korea too!

	18-02-2003 04:30									#6
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quote: Originally posted by DuncanK The scariest thing is it is largly unknown how the Chinese will react when we do start getting serious forces over there.

Very true, westerners take it for granted that China won't come to the rescue again, but really, nothing is for certain at this point.

	18-02-2003 04:35									#7
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quote: Originally posted by DuncanK The scariest thing is it is largly unknown how the Chinese will react when we do start getting serious forces over there.

The Chinese have said several times that they want things to be resolved peacefully and there have been growing signs that the Red Chinese are irked off by Kims constinent war talk. Without china to provide economic life support the North would quickly collapse.

That means Kim doesn't get to do anything without China's approval.

	18-02-2003 04:37									#8
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quote: Originally posted by Demerzel Maybe if the EU was there, then we wouldn't have had Bush shouting his mouth off about North Korea being part of an axis of evil and thus the thawing of relations between North and South Korea could have kept happening. Hey British troops seem to be used for peackeeping nearly everywhere anyway, why not somewhere else. From recent memory we've kept the peace in Bosnia, Sierra Leone, Afghanistan - sure we'll do South Korea too!

Whatever. However, if the EU had troops on the line who could actually get killed because of its policies, then it may act more responsibly as well.

	18-02-2003 04:39									#9
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I still think its bullshit that Japan hasn't built a missle defense because they're afraid of "offending China".

	18-02-2003 04:41									#10
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Holy f<>ucking ****!

	18-02-2003 04:42									#11
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Oerdin,

there are no signs that China is considering any sactions though

	18-02-2003 04:42									#12
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You can say I'm in denial but I think this is yet more brinkmanship.

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heh, I like the way you sidestep my point as irrelevant.

I remember the different mind sets of peacekeepers in the former Yugoslavia.

The US forces would stay in their base most of the time and when they went out on patrol, they went out armed to the teeth with full armour.

The French troops would patrol with more relaxed level of security but still on the defensive.

The British troops mingled freely with the local population, not wearing helmets or body armour. They didn't patrol in APCs but walked on foot and conversed with the people, and were liked for it. We didn't treat them as the enemy and they appreciated that.

When troops were needed to snatch a war criminal it was British troops who were sent in to do the job or the SAS.

British troops have died doing peacekeeping duties in Kosovo as well as Bosnia, we lost troops in Afghanistan and I'm sure other places too. Don't accuse us of being afraid to risk our lives for what we believe in as we are often one of the first ones into the action and the last to leave. When the cause is right, we're ready to do our duty and you can f*ck right off if you think you can question that

	18-02-2003 04:45									#14
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If the North Korean regime wants to bluff its way to death, then let them try....

	18-02-2003 04:45									#15
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Demerzel,

Quit thread jacking. This should not be another opportunity to Bash America.

	18-02-2003 04:46									#16
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"Maybe if the EU was there, then we wouldn't have had Bush shouting his mouth off about North Korea being part of an axis of evil and thus the thawing of relations between North and South Korea could have kept happening."

Of course, it's all our fault


Well anyway if NK wants to go to war again I think we can be sure China won't do anything. China back during the 1st Korean war was isolated, now it is economically interdependent on the world, war against the US would cause the Chinese economy to crash and burn. North Korea is shooting itself in the foot here- the more it looks like we could have Korean War II, the more China will try to intervene to stop NK's nuke program.

	18-02-2003 04:46									#17
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I'm not thread jacking, I'm following up on Ned's assertion that the EU will not commit forces to something that will cause us loss of life.

And I'm not bashing the USA ffs. It's okay to bash the EU in this thread but even something comparing attitudes is considered US-bashing?

Finally no its not all the US' fault, North Korea is just as bad - I'm just saying that Bush didn't exactly help the situation did he?

	18-02-2003 04:51									#18
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Shi Huangdi,

Just hope China's economy doesn't crash without war. Then they wouldn't have anything to lose. Ah, damn this is scary.

	18-02-2003 04:53									#19
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Ned,

Chill.

	18-02-2003 04:55									#20
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I agree, let's save the silly EU/US bashing for another thread.

	18-02-2003 04:55									#21
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quote: Originally posted by DuncanK Oerdin, there are no signs that China is considering any sactions though

You're right, alot will depend on how China acts. Kim is in such sorry shape that he is unable to act without help from the red Chinese.

In the end the Chinese will act as a voice of reason and will attempt to moderate Kim. Why? Because the Chinese want ot keep modernizing their country and the export sector is the engine which powers that modernization. If China became overtly involved in a new Korean war (and if they didn't then the north would lose) then they wouldn't be able to export their goods. Thus the Chinese will push Kim to shut up.

	18-02-2003 04:56									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Ned I think the EU needs to send troops to replace US forces. This guy to the North of the 38th parallel is really crazy and a lot of Americans could end up being killed. It is high time for the Euros to take up some of the burden of policing the world against the insane.

What are you on about? It is because of your self-appointed righteousness that half these problems occur. We've had our fill of interference and manipulation, so why should we get in the way of your games?

	18-02-2003 04:56									#23
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well let's hope the Chinese can ensure that N.Korea backs down then as any loss of life will be tragic.

	18-02-2003 04:57									#24
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Demerzel, I'm not suggesting the Brits should not send troops to Korea. I am suggesting, rather, that France and Germany and the rest of the EU send troops. It is about time that these countries put soldiers in the line of fire when a warmonger is afoot.

Besides, it would cut down on Kim's insane anti-American rhetoric.

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	18-02-2003 04:57									#25
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Finally no its not all the US' fault, North Korea is just as bad - I'm just saying that Bush didn't exactly help the situation did he?"

What do you mean just as bad? I hope you don't mean that we're no better NK, because if you do you are just as insane as Kim Jong Il. All Bush did was labeled NK as part of the axis of evil. You may not like diplomatic insults, but thats not quite the same as threatening to end the armistice and restarting a nuclear program.

"Shi Huangdi,

Just hope China's economy doesn't crash without war. Then they wouldn't have anything to lose. Ah, damn this is scary."

I think because of the economic threat, China won't go to war and will do all in it's power to prevent Korean War II.

	18-02-2003 05:01									#26
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This is clearly not insane behaviour from the North Koreans.

	18-02-2003 05:03									#27
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no Shi, I'm not saying the USA is an evil dictatorship.

The two leaders are just as bad as each other with the diplomatic rhetoric and the seeming desire for war. Each seemingly refuses to back down and the tension just keeps getting ratched up and up.

Bush "may" have started it with the Axis of Evil remark but Kim ratched it up another notch with his rhetoric and then Bush retaliated with the accusations of wrong doings and so forth.

I agree that N.Korea is the naughty party here but Bush needs to try and pacify the situation by working with China to fix things rather than just threatening N.Korea with either more sanctions or other...

	18-02-2003 05:03									#28
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Did Kim really decide to suicide his country in a big boom or what ?
I hope he's a reasonable leader, who just uses hard talk to reinforce his bargaining position, but I can't say I'm sure. The more time passes, the more NK's poistion seems suicidal.

	18-02-2003 05:10									#29
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Demerzel,

What you are saying is so stupid and so insulting at the same time? Quit trolling and thread jacking.

	18-02-2003 05:12									#30
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The whole problem is that we don't have a stonger force over there right now. That's why he's pulling this crap. Do you think it's just coincidence that he is doing all this while our military is in the Middle East?