18-02-2003 07:47									#1
	Chirac Says Eastern Europeans Are "Infantile" and should shut up! Support Apolyton, buy GURPS/ Alpha Centauri

It's true! He also threatened them with no EU membership for supporting the rest of the EU in supporting the US.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/2774139.stm

This guy makes Bush look like a soft speaker!

	18-02-2003 07:48									#2
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This puts to shame any of the French jokes we've had here so far.

	18-02-2003 07:49									#3
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DanS that thing you said yesterday about the France-German power play is making MORE AND MORE sense day by day.

Chirac is just pissed because he wants to have followers and the eastern allies picked the US over HIM.

Brilliant call DanS

	18-02-2003 07:50									#4
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They're just a bit confused. Happens to everyone once in a while They'll come around

	18-02-2003 07:54									#5
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Cool, another thing to make fun of Chirac of.
Chirac is now almost on par with Rumsfeld. A bit more, and we'll have the most cretin leader in the diplo waltz !
Who'll give the award ?

	18-02-2003 07:57									#6
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quote: Originally posted by DanS It's true! He also threatened them with no EU membership for supporting the rest of the EU in supporting the US. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/2774139.stm This guy makes Bush look like a soft speaker!

Chirac is right. These not-yet-members have no business to speak for the EU. If they piss us off, we veto them, and the idiots will never be members.

	18-02-2003 07:59									#7
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More proof Chirac is merely out to try to increase France's influence at the expense of the US.

	18-02-2003 07:59									#8
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor Cool, another thing to make fun of Chirac of. Chirac is now almost on par with Rumsfeld. A bit more, and we'll have the most cretin leader in the diplo waltz ! Who'll give the award ?

Who says the deterioration of the European-American relationship is a bad thing?

Rumsfeld Chirac

	18-02-2003 08:02									#9
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I agree with Comrade, if these nations want to pursue a policy that is detrimental to both the EU and the world, they should be not be allowed membership.

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Nah, they'll come around. Those are infantile diseases

	18-02-2003 08:05									#11
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ms: Thier exists no common EU foreign policy so how could they be acting to the detriment of the EU.

	18-02-2003 08:07									#12
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Of course they have, DD. To know what it is, just keep an eye on the releases of the French Foreign Ministry.

	18-02-2003 08:07									#13
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There exists. It's only in its infantile phase

Look at the economic side. That was too in its infancy some time ago. And now, whooop the euro is here and is stronger than the dollar

	18-02-2003 08:08									#14
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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 Nah, they'll come around. Those are infantile diseases

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Monkspider :
Being a vassal of the US isn't necessarily detrimental to the EU. It has been good for the EU in the past 50 years. Whether it is good or bad now is in question, but there is no evidence towards one way or another.

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DinoD- There are certain policies that are not in the best interests of the EU, and if these childish Eastern Europeans want to pursue such a policies, they do so at their risk. Chirac has every right to not want such nations in the EU. Imagine if Puerto Rico was being considered as the next US state, but then out of nowhere it's leaders started talking about holding Nazi sympathies. Do you think American leaders would welcome them with open arms?

	18-02-2003 08:13									#17
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quote: Originally posted by monkspider DinoD- There are certain policies that are not in the best interests of the EU,

Even the EU members themselves have yet to work out a coherent position on this matter. So I ask again, probably in vain, how have they acted to the detriment of the EU?

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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc Even the EU members themselves have yet to work out a coherent position on this matter. So I ask again, probably in vain, how have they acted to the detriment of the EU?

DinoD- They are pursuing a reckless and belligerent policy of being pro-military adventurism. That is something to be frowned upon under nearly all circumstances.

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quote: Originally posted by DanS Of course they have, DD. To know what it is, just keep an eye on the releases of the French Foreign Ministry.

Argh, they aren't out yet I expect the French FM to minimize the thing as much as possible. Our diplomats aren't rednecks, unlike our prez (with so many similarities, I wonder why Bush and Chirac don't get along better ? )

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Interesting how those who said 'France has the right to its own foriegn policy' are now *****ing like two dollar whores who just got one dollar.

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Imperialist Bastard

	18-02-2003 08:21									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor I expect the French FM to minimize the thing as much as possible. Our diplomats aren't rednecks, unlike our prez (with so many similarities, I wonder why Bush and Chirac don't get along better ? )

But what harm can these remarks do? It is not as if the candidates are in position to threaten France.

A warning shot was in order. In this case, one has to agree with Chirac.

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quote: Originally posted by monkspider DinoD- They are pursuing a reckless and belligerent policy of being pro-military adventurism.

France is more than a few years late when it comes to being against military adventurism (Kosovo, etc.).

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The 3 new EU members who declared they are pro-US (out of the 10) are still a bit impressionable by the US

They came around already

BTW out of 3, one (the Chech) PM said he was not expressing the official view of his country, just his personal view

80% of Europe is against the war

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The candidates will have a role in defining the future of the EU, and will probably contribute more to the EU army than to the EU economy (when an EU army will exist). They can threaten France in the meaning they'll have a weight in the Union's decision making.
I guess the force demonstration between France-Germany and the former underdogs (Britain-Italy-Spain) isn't finished yet. The candidate countries would better keep clear of the incoming mess.

	18-02-2003 08:32									#26
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Italy has Berlusconi. Not worth even considering. He changes opinions as fast as the Italians change governemnts

Interesting to note that in Rome and London (and Madrid?) the demos were really massive (talking about hundrends of thousands of people)
Italy has the largest left wing electorate in Europe.

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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor They can threaten France in the meaning they'll have a weight in the Union's decision making.

Not if they get vetoed. Which could happen, if they behave *TOO* silly.

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They won't

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I don't agree with the war but talk about talking before thinking. For all the talk of American impiralism by the French it seems that France's only real concern is the fact that its not the one superpower.

	18-02-2003 08:38									#30
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Pantaloon :
you got it pretty well. The French-German couple is acting within the EU about as arrogantly as the US in the world. Since Chirac is as subtle as Rumsfeld, he made his annoyance clear towards the candidate countries. He really hated to encounter such an opposition to his views.